The all things EV chat thread

[C7usk]

I probably watched ‘all’ YouTube videos about the Enyak, compared to the ID4, Audi Q4, Kia Niro, … . I don’t think it ever gets compared to the ID7 which seems to be a far superior car

Yeah, I am the same.. I've been looking and thinking about an EV for months. Mainly due to the new company car tax rates... And I never even knew about the Id7... Prob cause it was out my price range.. It's does have a significantly better range..

 

[spongebob59]

Press reporting a pay per mile tax incoming at the budget for EV' and hybrids due to loss of revenue

 

[clubchamp98]

Press reporting a pay per mile tax incoming at the budget for EV' and hybrids due to loss of revenue

About time.
Why EVs don’t pay to use the roads like everyone else is wrong.

Not sure about pay per mile though.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

About time.
Why EVs don’t pay to use the roads like everyone else is wrong.

Not sure about pay per mile though.

It makes sense initially, use the tax system to push people towards buying them. There reaches a point though when electric cars have to stand on their own, when they need to pay their way like every other vehicle.

 

[clubchamp98]

It makes sense initially, use the tax system to push people towards buying them. There reaches a point though when electric cars have to stand on their own, when they need to pay their way like every other vehicle.

Yes it’s buisness I get that .
But it’s not exactly fair not paying your way, it’s why the country’s skint.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

It makes sense initially, use the tax system to push people towards buying them. There reaches a point though when electric cars have to stand on their own, when they need to pay their way like every other vehicle.

I fail to see why EV's should not have to pay the same as other fueled vehicles on everything. They still use the same roads and create congestion.

 

[cliveb]

I fail to see why EV's should not have to pay the same as other fueled vehicles on everything. They still use the same roads and create congestion.

It's not that EVs aren't paying for the roads. The revenue generated from duty on petrol and diesel is WAY more than is spent on the roads. It's just another (big) income stream for the exchequer. So if ICE cars get replaced by EVs, that loss of revenue has to be replaced somehow.

What bothers me is that if a pay-per-mile scheme is introduced, even if just for EVs to start with, it won't be long before it's also applied to all cars, while the duty on petrol and diesel will remain.

Let's just hope that any pay-per-mile scheme uses a sensible and simple approach (like using the mileage recorded at the yearly MOT) rather than some expensive high tech GPS-based device that has to be retro-fitted to every car.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I fail to see why EV's should not have to pay the same as other fueled vehicles on everything. They still use the same roads and create congestion.

It was a way initially of mvonig people towards electric cars. Norway have a massive uptake on electric but that is because they put massive taxes on ICE cars to make them unaffordable. Govts use taxes to push people down a partiicular route.

I'm not saying I agree with the policy, it is just how it is. That policy is possibly coming to an end.

 

[doublebogey7]

I fail to see why EV's should not have to pay the same as other fueled vehicles on everything. They still use the same roads and create congestion.

They do but they do not produce the same pollution, which has a very high long term cost. Agree though that there will need to be some form of tax going forward.

 

[GreiginFife]

It's not that EVs aren't paying for the roads. The revenue generated from duty on petrol and diesel is WAY more than is spent on the roads. It's just another (big) income stream for the exchequer. So if ICE cars get replaced by EVs, that loss of revenue has to be replaced somehow.

What bothers me is that if a pay-per-mile scheme is introduced, even if just for EVs to start with, it won't be long before it's also applied to all cars, while the duty on petrol and diesel will remain.

Let's just hope that any pay-per-mile scheme uses a sensible and simple approach (like using the mileage recorded at the yearly MOT) rather than some expensive high tech GPS-based device that has to be retro-fitted to every car.

What do they do for the first 3 years when cars don’t get MOT (or even servicing as many are moving to 2 year cycles)?

 

[cliveb]

What do they do for the first 3 years when cars don’t get MOT (or even servicing as many are moving to 2 year cycles)?

Fair point. But introducing a system whereby you must take your car in every year to have it's mileage recorded would still be much cheaper than any kind of monitoring device.

The only advantage to a device is that it would allow for differential pricing based on location and time, should that be considered useful.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

They do but they do not produce the same pollution, which has a very high long term cost. Agree though that there will need to be some form of tax going forward.

Simple answer is to just make RFL required for every vehicle regardless of power source, at the same level and scrap all the different get outs.

 

[BubbaP]

Would it be more palatable if she removed the big taxes on buying petrol & diesel and introduced pay per mile across the board?

Maybe punishes efficient drivers though.

 

[larmen]

I don't think you can take MOT milage. For me it would work, but there are cases where it clearly wouldn't.

What about someone driving to France? 50 miles to Folkestone, 50 miles back. 1000 miles on the clock, 900 miles outside this country.
Northern Ireland, they might drive a lot through the republic.

 

[bobmac]

Why EVs don’t pay to use the roads like everyone else is wrong.

Not sure about pay per mile though.

If EVs should pay to use the roads, then why would it not be fair to pay more the more you use the roads?

 

[bobmac]

What do they do for the first 3 years when cars don’t get MOT (or even servicing as many are moving to 2 year cycles)?

Don't you have to declare how far you drive annually for your insurance....just use that figure for the first 3 years?

 

[GreiginFife]

Don't you have to declare how far you drive annually for your insurance....just use that figure for the first 3 years?

You do but the data is not tracked or verified. It’s only used as a parameter in the risk calculation.

Insurance companies won’t want to be getting involved in government business.

 

[bobmac]

You do but the data is not tracked or verified. It’s only used as a parameter in the risk calculation.

Insurance companies won’t want to be getting involved in government business.

It doesn't have to be tracked. If you claim 10,000 miles and you do less or more, you can get it verified at a garage. if you do more and you have a smash, your insurance is invalid. Then after 3 years you either get credit or a bill

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

They should either tax everyone the same or do it on emissions. Make the most polluting pay more.

This is just another squeeze on the middle that will be complex and expensive to administer.

 

[GreiginFife]

It doesn't have to be tracked. If you claim 10,000 miles and you do less or more, you can get it verified at a garage. if you do more and you have a smash, your insurance is invalid. Then after 3 years you either get credit or a bill

There you go, get yourself in government, you got all the answers.