The all things EV chat thread

[bobmac]

OK, turn it around. How do you sell a 9 year old car with a slightly dodgy battery?
Got to be almost worthless.?

Depends what the rest of the car is like.
A replacement battery pack is under £4k so the price will reflect that.
It's the same with anything, if you don't look after something, you will loose out.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

They are premium priced at the mo

If you take the current “ Car of the year” the Vauxhall Corsa the basic E version is £10k more expensive than the petrol version, £16k to £26k not including optional extras, although you will save in running costs, no road tax, no congestion charge etc. It is unlikely you will recoup that extra cost over the life of the vehicle, say 7 years, although it does come with an 8 year battery warranty.

Just as they changed the car tax system when too many people were buying the low CO2 tax rate cars, they will change the tax rate to include leccy motors, just as the congestion charge will include them, because obviously leccy cars don't take up space on the roads or cause wear and tear on them

 

[spongebob59]

the big Johnson green speech is now happening next week:

- a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 (but 2035 for hybrids)

- more support for nuclear, carbon capture & storage, hydrogen, wind power, insulation etc

via @FT
https://t.co/F7mWSDvACg

 

[PJ87]

So December 2029 record sale of new cars? With used ex lease cars in 2033 becoming worth more and 2034 hybrids become record sells

Unless hydrogen takes off ofc

 

[USER1999]

Why buy an EV when you can lease it? Buying cars is so old hat now.
A leased Nissan Leaf is pretty cheap, say 250 a month. Given the charging cost v petrol, zero tax, zero congestion, zero ULEZ, next to no servicing. What's not to like. Especially as a second car run around.

 

[PJ87]

Why buy an EV when you can lease it? Buying cars is so old hat now.
A leased Nissan Leaf is pretty cheap, say 250 a month. Given the charging cost v petrol, zero tax, zero congestion, zero ULEZ, next to no servicing. What's not to like. Especially as a second car run around.

For so many people lease is a dirty word.

It's a good way of testing the market aswell as if you lease it for say 4 years and it is then worthless it's not your problem

 

[Deleted member 29109]

OK, turn it around. How do you sell a 9 year old car with a slightly dodgy battery?
Got to be almost worthless.?

At least there is a way of telling. How many 9 year old cars are sold with a slightly dodgy engine that only becomes apparent after someone has purchased it.

There are Prius taxis running around with intergalactic miles still on perfectly usable original batteries. Battery tech is evolving rapidly with ever more investment being plumped in to development.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If they are going to ban the sale of new petrol/diesel cars from 2030 now as is rumoured, what about motorbikes, vans, and lorries?

 

[CliveW]

If they are going to ban the sale of new petrol/diesel cars from 2030 now as is rumoured, what about motorbikes, vans, and lorries?

Agricultural machines, construction machines, Military, marine, aviation etc.???

 

[bobmac]

Agricultural machines, construction machines, Military, marine, aviation etc.???

I have no plans to buy a plane or a tank but...

and

 

[PJ87]

Agricultural machines, construction machines, Military, marine, aviation etc.???

Gas boiler bans and switching to electric boilers, heat pumps etc will have more effect on the environment.

Once ofc we have clean energy to supply them. However it is a lot easier to switch everyone to electric and then switch the supply to green than the other way.

 

[Fade and Die]

Gas boiler bans and switching to electric boilers, heat pumps etc will have more effect on the environment.

Once ofc we have clean energy to supply them. However it is a lot easier to switch everyone to electric and then switch the supply to green than the other way.

I’m not so sure about Electric boilers, They pull in the region of 50Amp (so are expensive to run) and a lot of peoples electrical installations could not handle that extra load.
The trend seems to be going the other way, we have two contracts for a housing association in East London where we are taking out the economy 7 storage heaters (newish Dimplex quantum’s!) and they are installing a new boiler house and wet systems into the flats.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Gas boiler bans and switching to electric boilers, heat pumps etc will have more effect on the environment.

Once ofc we have clean energy to supply them. However it is a lot easier to switch everyone to electric and then switch the supply to green than the other way.

Why is it? Maybe part of the reluctance to switch to electric may be that most people can see through the myth that electric cars don't pollute when the electricity that powers them is as dirty as the petrol that ICEs use. If the electricity involved was already green, that objection wouldn't exist.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I’m not so sure about Electric boilers, They pull in the region of 50Amp (so are expensive to run) and a lot of peoples electrical installations could not handle that extra load.
The trend seems to be going the other way, we have two contracts for a housing association in East London where we are taking out the economy 7 storage heaters (newish Dimplex quantum’s!) and they are installing a new boiler house and wet systems into the flats.

Is it not shortly going to be the law that new houses have to have air heat boilers, not sure of the precise name but I'm sure you will know what I mean? They look like air con units you see on the continent. Is it those you are talking about?

 

[PJ87]

Why is it? Maybe part of the reluctance to switch to electric may be that most people can see through the myth that electric cars don't pollute when the electricity that powers them is as dirty as the petrol that ICEs use. If the electricity involved was already green, that objection wouldn't exist.

The UK is already planning to switch energy to cleaner supply. It's a two pronged attack.

Even if it is as dirty now it won't be once the switch happens.

By 2030 just how many new power sources will be ready? Talks of micro nuclear plants in the pipeline to get the grid more green.

https://www.energylivenews.com/2020/01/27/rolls-royce-plans-mini-nuclear-reactors-for-uk-by-2029/

The ban is on new cars only . I'm sure there will still be people driving 15 year old cars in 2045. Whilst the power plants pop up more and then they can make their decision.

 

[PJ87]

Is it not shortly going to be the law that new houses have to have air heat boilers, not sure of the precise name but I'm sure you will know what I mean? They look like air con units you see on the continent. Is it those you are talking about?

Heat pump air source I think

Wife's cousin's house has one on side .. no gas supply .. all heating via it

I love the idea of binning of gas completely and having electric for the lot

 

[bobmac]

Why is it? Maybe part of the reluctance to switch to electric may be that most people can see through the myth that electric cars don't pollute when the electricity that powers them is as dirty as the petrol that ICEs use. If the electricity involved was already green, that objection wouldn't exist.

How about people who charge their cars from their solar panels?

 

[Fade and Die]

Is it not shortly going to be the law that new houses have to have air heat boilers, not sure of the precise name but I'm sure you will know what I mean? They look like air con units you see on the continent. Is it those you are talking about?

Air source heat pump, and their cousin the Ground source heat pump work by extracting heat from the air/ground they seem very clever but I have no idea how efficient they are or expensive to install. Kevin Mcloud is always talking about them on Grand Designs. The only experience I have had with them is a job we did in Enfield where they bored a 200M deep hole and filled it with a heating coil to extract heat from the ground! Massive multi million pound job but it did supply about 4 tower blocks. (Our involvement was small!?)
The Electric boilers I was referring to are this sort of thing....
https://www.electriccombiboilerscompany.com/electric-combi-boilers/

We normally only install them where gas is not an option.

 

[USER1999]

How about people who charge their cars from their solar panels?

There is nowhere near enough sunshine in the UK through most (if not all) of the year to charge a car. It's barely enough to charge an LED floodlight, unless your solar set up is measured in acres.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

There is nowhere near enough sunshine in the UK through most (if not all) of the year to charge a car. It's barely enough to charge an LED floodlight, unless your solar set up is measured in acres.

It's ok, we wont need to grow crops any more