Tending the flag ?

[williamalex1]

Sorry if this has already been asked .

If a player asks for the flag to be tended, does it still have to be removed, or can he decide to leave it , till the last moment once he sees the speed and line of his putt ??

 

[duncan mackie]

Has to be removed. The decision to have it tended is a request for the flag to be removed.

 

[louise_a]

You must decide what you want doing with the flagstick before your shot, you cant change your mind once you have played your shot.

 

[williamalex1]

Thanks, if it did hit the pin, would it be a 1 or 2 stroke penalty and ball re-placed and replayed ?

 

[jim8flog]

Thanks, if it did hit the pin, would it be a 1 or 2 stroke penalty and ball re-placed and replayed ?

It is the general penalty of 2 strokes and the next shot must be played from where the ball came to rest unless in the hole

 

[duncan mackie]

It is the general penalty of 2 strokes and the next shot must be played from where the ball came to rest unless in the hole

I believe it would have to be replayed...with the 2 shot penalty you reference.

 

[YandaB]

My understanding is that it depends on whether the stopping was deliberate or not. If not deliberate, no penalty and play ball as it lies; if it was deliberate, general penalty and play the ball from where you estimate it would have stopped. My understanding has been wrong on many occasions though

 

[jim8flog]

Re reading the rules I agree with yandabrown and partially with Duncan

It depends on whether the action was deliberate or accidental and if deliberate who is responsible for the deliberate action

13.2 For purposes of this Rule, "deliberately deflected or stopped" means the same thing as in Rule 11.2a, and includes when the player’s ball in motion hits:

• A removed flagstick that was deliberately positioned or left in a particular place on the ground so that it might deflect or stop the ball,
• An attended flagstick that the person deliberately failed to remove from the hole or to move out of the way of the ball, or
• The person who attended or removed the flagstick (or anything the person was holding), when he or she deliberately failed to move out of the way of the ball.

(2) What to Do If Ball Hits Flagstick or Person Attending Flagstick. If the player’s ball in motion hits a flagstick that the player had decided to have removed under (1), or hits the person who is attending the flagstick (or anything the person is holding), what happens depends on whether this was accidental or deliberate:

• Ball Accidentally Hits Flagstick or Person Who Removed or Is Attending It. If the player’s ball in motion accidentally hits the flagstick or the person who removed or is attending it (or anything the person is holding), there is no penalty and the ball must be played as it lies.

• Ball Deliberately Deflected or Stopped by Person Attending Flagstick. If the person who is attending the flagstick deliberately deflects or stops the player’s ball in motion, Rule 11.2c applies:

Where Ball Is Played from. The player must not play the ball as it lies and instead must take relief under Rule 11.2c.

When Penalty Applies. If the person who deliberately deflected or stopped the ball was a player or his or her caddie, that player gets the general penalty for a breach of Rule 11.2.

 

[duncan mackie]

Re reading the rules I agree with yandabrown and partially with Duncan

It depends on whether the action was deliberate or accidental and if deliberate who is responsible for the deliberate action

You can't have it both ways!

You have given him the general penalty, which would only apply if it were deliberate; and the question asked related to a deliberate decision...

2 stroke penalty and replay the stroke

 

[jim8flog]

You can't have it both ways!

You have given him the general penalty, which would only apply if it were deliberate; and the question asked related to a deliberate decision...

2 stroke penalty and replay the stroke

I agreed with your comments !!!

The post 04 is not specific about how the ball hit the flagstick and my original replay was based upon that question rather than the OP.

 

[backwoodsman]

Asking someone to attend a flag is an instruction to take the flag away when the stroke has been made. That decision has to be made before the stroke is played.

Therefore if, after the stroke has been made, the player decides he now might want the flag to remain, he must make a conscious decision to countermand the original instruction by telling the "attender" to not pull the flag. That cannot be anything other than deliberate?

 

[Britishshooting]

Anything i would have previously had tended I just leave in now, I know i'd rather be reading my own put than holding the pin for someone so can only assume some others are similarly minded.

Obviously i'll tend if someone asks and it's no issue but i've not had a single putt tended since the new rules came into force.