solution for buying a club that i received damaged

[Wolfman]

Fair play and credit to the seller to post his facts


I would just put this down to experience and find a way to resolve it

Its only £50 but its a point of principle, and to be fair the club sounds like it is still a usable club so maybe it has been like this since new anyway ??

Glad the two of you have been adult enough to find ways to resolve i think the seller makes a fair case, the buyer may have to put this down to experience perhaps ?

 

[Val]

Having read all the dialogue on this thread, if I was LTP I don't think I would pay back the money and if I was the buyer I'd take it as a lesson.

If it happened anywhere other than this forum or a sale between 2 friends I would agree 100% on this but selling on this forum in a weird sort of way is similar to selling to people you know in a round about way (if that makes some sort of sense).

 

[markyjee]

Bigslice I think if the clubhead or full club was returned to TM through your club pro or local dealer they would replace it.
I had a titleist 983 driver a few years ago which I had bought second hand, clubface cracked so I sent it to titleist through driving range pro, just over a week later got my shaft and grip back with the new 905 head attached.
Good luck

 

[User20205]

donate the £50 to HFH on Rick's page :thup:

 

[bigslice]

Fair play and credit to the seller to post his facts


I would just put this down to experience and find a way to resolve it

Its only £50 but its a point of principle, and to be fair the club sounds like it is still a usable club so maybe it has been like this since new anyway ??

Glad the two of you have been adult enough to find ways to resolve i think the seller makes a fair case, the buyer may have to put this down to experience perhaps ?

yep its only fifty squid to someone not working and forced to sell his flat today for way less than what he paid for it (but i digress)

 

[Liverbirdie]

I had similar on ebay the other year.

I sold a perfectly working powakaddy trolley to someone miles away. Anyway after a few e-mails going back and forth and asking him if he had connected it properly etc, I agreed for him to return it. Somehow something had gone wrong in the handle. I had it repaired re-listed it and sold it. I had given the original fella a full refund.

I don't know how the damage happened, but as I made a claim on the courier which paid for the repair, not much harm was done.

It may be by-the-by, but I have met Bigslice (Davy) and he is a cracking fella, and would doubt he would try to pull a fast one. Hopefully it can be sorted, without any problems.

One possible suggestion, hoping the relationship has not soured - LTP - do you have any plans to play golf in Scotland in the near future. If so and davy is happy to, why dont you give him the refund, Davy gives you a free round on his course, which he can do via a credit scheme. This is at no cost do Davy, so may be a good middle way.

You get a free game of golf on a course that is more than £50, Davy gets his money back. You both but each other a pint in the bar afterwards, and laugh about this.

Sorry to hear about the flat, fella.

 

[zlinuk]

Now here's a radical thought, why don't the forum members chuck in a quid a piece to purchase said club from bigslice, it could be given a name and awarded annually in some sort of forum related activity.

 

[Farneyman]

Now here's a radical thought, why don't the forum members chuck in a quid a piece to purchase said club from bigslice, it could be given a name and awarded annually in some sort of forum related activity.

Am in...Lol he will get in pennies

 

[Khamelion]

It's difficult situation with the sale being done through this forum and with some forum members knowing each other, the buyer and seller personally through forum events. It will be hard for some to remain objective, just as much as it will be hard for the buyer and seller not to be ostracized by forum members when an outcome is decided.

I think that now both sides of the issue have been written and read, the craving for a name and shame so called for by some members, the witch hunt can cease.

Both buyer and seller should now be left to come to a amicable solution, whatever that maybe.

THe above written I see three options:-

1. Seller gives full refund, replaces none off the shelf weight and returns to TM for repair or replacement
2. Buyer puts it done to experience and Caveat Emptor and as above replaces none off the shelf weight and returns to TM for repair or replacement
3. Buyer tries to sell club on Ebay or similar auction site with full description hoping to recover money he spent.

 

[thecraw]

Let me come in here and try and clear up a few things since I am the seller of the driver the OP bought....

Just want to say first that If i'd of seen this thread any earlier then I'd of come into it then but I don't get a lot of time to browse with having a 9 month old boy these days.

Before I sold the club in question I inspected the club, advertised it on here and put some pictures up. When I inspected the club I did so without taking the weights out as I would never have thought they'd be an issue inside the club head itself!
(how many people on here honestly remove the weights and get a torch out to look inside the clubhead?? you'd need a boroscope kit to fully inspect the inside of a clubhead to see around the corners etc so anyone who says they fully inspect the inside of the clubhead Id be slightly sceptical)
I inspected the rest of the club and didnt see any problems with the clubhead.

As i said to the OP in a PM, I didnt mess around with the weights when I used the club but I did check tighten them (using a TM wrench) before I sent it and also every few rounds, as I do with the other clubs I have with an adjustable setting.
I never once noticed a crack on the outside of the clubhead where the weights are, I never had any extra movement from the weights when check tightening them and the club never made any funny sounds when striking a ball. The club to me performs as it should do.
To clarify one point from someone elses comments, the previous owner had it from new and used a TM wrench so maybe he put the extra weighted weight in so its not a factory set up in the weights issued to the club. He is a good friend of mine who Ive known for years and I know he wouldnt use anything other than the TM wrench to fit a weight. It was slightly awkward when I asked him about it a few days ago knowing how meticulous he is about his golf gear and how everything has to be good, clean etc (slightly OCD the level he goes to if you ask me lol)

So from my point of view I have used this club for about 12 months (on and off thats why I sold it...) without ever noticing a crack, hearing a bad sound when striking or seeing any extra movement from the weights.
I have then inspected the club before selling, not seen any damage to the outside of the clubhead where the weights are or in any other area.
And within days of selling it, Ive been told its damaged...


Thats my side of the factual stuff out of the way, Im sure there will be odd bits come to me as people post stuff...

I'd just like to agree with the OP that he has never accused me of willingly selling a damaged club, nor have I accused him of directly damaging the club and trying to pull a fast one. The PM's sent between eachother have been polite and Ive tried to remain objective and not make any accusations or assumptions but it is hard when your trying to resolve something like this.

For me this is a hard one because I am a genuine and honest guy and have sold a club I have had for 12 months that I have never hd problems with, know its been looked after since my mate bought it new, looked after it when I had it, Ive inspected it and sold it on knowing there isnt a problem with it.

I dont know the Buyer from the next person on here, for all I know he could have easily cross threaded the weight when putting a weight in, dropped it on the floor, damaged the club when removing a weight, he could have done a multitude of things to cause damage to the club.
All I have to go on is the factual information I know before I sold it and a statement from the buyer saying how its now damaged and I am to trust him and refund him and take every word he says as Gospel and the truth. Im not being funny or accusing him of anything here Im just presenting my side of the story and the things that run through my head about this issue.

Can every person on this site really say with the information that I have stated about my ownership of the club and how i never noticed anything wrong with it that they would believe 100% of complete strangers on here that they didnt damage it and want to get some money back???

Just to reiterate Im not making accusations of anyone telling lies or knowingly damaging a club and asking for money back. Bigslice has never said Ive accused him of that and I still arent.

From my point of view though Ive sold a good club with no problems to it and most people on here simply expect me to roll over and hand money back to a complete stranger on his word... Tough situation to be in.

I ask people on here to look at themselves and ask themself this: If you were to sell your current driver from out of your bag, inspect it, know it doesnt sound strange when hitting, think/know in your own mind its 100% good, then the buyer who is a complete stranger a few days later tells you its broken and wants their money back...??? would you roll over at the first hurdle and pay up??
Id be suprised how many people have the bollocks to turn around and say "actually no I wouldnt" because theres a lot of people gunning for me on here by asking for a name and shame and so they never are to business with that person again.

Its a shame for me really because the people I have met on here at forum meets and other events will know how i'm an honest and genuine type of guy and for people to prejudge me on here without my side of the story says a lot about the characters of themselves.

Seems like a very defensive post to me. I do notice from your for sale post that there are no pictures of the weight ports or mention of the different swing weights which are non factory standard. I would suggest that is a significant difference to a standard R9.

 

[bluewolf]

To be fair, it's hard not to be defensive when you are faced with some of the replies on this thread. Also, if the seller was unaware of the change in weights, then how could he describe it as anything other than standard. I would echo the sentiments of other posters and let the buyer and seller sort it out between themselves, without any assistance from people who appear to have picked sides.

 

[BTatHome]

You might get lucky with TM, but to be honest the club is fairly down there line now, and probably close to 3 years old.

 

[bigslice]

To be fair, it's hard not to be defensive when you are faced with some of the replies on this thread. Also, if the seller was unaware of the change in weights, then how could he describe it as anything other than standard. I would echo the sentiments of other posters and let the buyer and seller sort it out between themselves, without any assistance from people who appear to have picked sides.

mmm defensive again the seller has given all scenerios of what may have happened to the club, where the buyer hasnt

 

[bluewolf]

mmm defensive again the seller has given all scenerios of what may have happened to the club, where the buyer hasnt

Sorry, I don't see what you are getting at. You have had your say, he has had his. It needs to be sorted somehow. Preferably without a witch hunt against someone who for all we know, may have done nothing wrong. I'm sorry that you are currently out of pocket, but you need to work towards a solution with the seller.

 

[Blademaster]

If the seller refunds the OP gets his money back and the seller gets his club back. He has lost a sale but not lost any money.

Any other solution and the OP has a club he doesn't want and is £50 out of pocket.

If the seller won't refund he is effectively suggesting the OP is lying about whether he caused the damage or not. If he does think he is lying then that's the only justifiable reason for not refunding the money and taking the club back. It's as simple as that.

 

[Khamelion]

The best course of action for this scenario now, is for both parties, buyer and seller to go away and work out an amicable solution without the spotlight of this thread.

Alot of people have had their say and probably without realising it, their impartial views have vanished, with sides being chosen unwittingly or not.

I think this thread has run its course, with all the common options offered and some off the wall suggestions as well, it's time for people to let this go or have the mods close the thread.

 

[bladeplayer]

No intrest in taking sides,

but as i said before have you tried hitting it?

what have you got to lose ? if you use it & it cracks further sure its no different than having it & not using it ... if you use it and it works , result ..

I havent checked but im sure there are rules in the for sale section to cover general queries / disagreements like this

 

[chrisd]

The best course of action for this scenario now, is for both parties, buyer and seller to go away and work out an amicable solution without the spotlight of this thread.

Alot of people have had their say and probably without realising it, their impartial views have vanished, with sides being chosen unwittingly or not.

I think this thread has run its course, with all the common options offered and some off the wall suggestions as well, it's time for people to let this go or have the mods close the thread.

I agree, we really dont want this getting out of hand!

 

[GreiginFife]

was thinking pour glue in and tighten weight but not fully torqued

Use stuff called JB Weld. It's a liquid metal. If it's the 10g weight, get a 6g one and use 4g of JB Weld. This stuff has a huge tensile capacity (I once used it to hold an alternator in place when the pivot bolt snapped!) and wouldn't crack or cause any further cracking.
Costs about £7 for a two part mix.

 

[brendy]

Thread closed, guys sort it out amongst yourselves.