bigslice
Tour Winner
thats the upsetting bit i havent hit any balls with it, anyway im away to play golf and try and forget about it for a couple of hours.
solution for buying a club that i received damaged
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That is assuming a pre torqued TM wrench was used, If a standard torx bit and a drill or screw driver were used, it could be overtightened.
Bigslice, I would put the weight back in, tighten it (dont over do it) and actually try hitting a few balls. The crack isnt on an impact area or crown so I cant see it getting worse. BTW get a pic up as that would help a lot.
Blademaster
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In my view the legal position is by the by. If I had sold a club and it turned out to be faulty within such a short space of time I would feel morally obliged to take the buyer's word and refund the money.
Blademaster
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Both of these suggestions are completely unacceptable. It would be hypocritical to do either.
If the seller does not refund then you just have to put it down to epxerience. By all means try to sell it on eBay, but only if fully and accurately described.
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thecraw
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The detective in me has now worked out from the For Sale section the club and person in question!!!!!!!!
Hope the pair of you work it out, keep it to PM both of you are respected forum members and I hope you can come up with a solution.
C.
Hope the pair of you work it out, keep it to PM both of you are respected forum members and I hope you can come up with a solution.
C.
Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
HotDogAssassin
Tour Rookie
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thecraw
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And that's precisely why this should not have been broadcast to the wider audience.
Disagree with you. It's an issue that needs resolved and other opinions are always helpful.
C.
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Think thread sums up why I won't be selling [or buying] through the forum...
Like selling a car thats served you well for a number of years to a good mate... Then have the engine go BANG a few short weeks after you sold it... Yes, its happened to me...
Like selling a car thats served you well for a number of years to a good mate... Then have the engine go BANG a few short weeks after you sold it... Yes, its happened to me
...Blademaster
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Correct me if I am wrong but the seller is adopting one of two stances on this:
1) He accepts that the OP has not damaged the club, but believes he sold it in good faith so tough sh1t!
or
2) He thinks the OP damaged it and is lying about whether he did so.
Which is it?
1) He accepts that the OP has not damaged the club, but believes he sold it in good faith so tough sh1t!
or
2) He thinks the OP damaged it and is lying about whether he did so.
Which is it?
bigslice
Tour Winner
And that's precisely why this should not have been broadcast to the wider audience.
wrong, my tone and aim of my post is to find a solution, the seller is very clear on his stance of it was fine went sent and no refund. its a SOLUTION to make this club usable im after.
been thinking and talking to someone ' what if if was to pour two part glue into the hole and refit the weight but not fully torqued as it increases the crack.
bigslice
Tour Winner
was thinking pour glue in and tighten weight but not fully torqued
MegaSteve
Tour Winner
Wouldn't use glue myself... If going down this route I'd use Loctite studlock [its seriously good stuff]... This is assuming threads in the club head are intact...
Wolfman
Tour Rookie
I would as mentioned before stick it on ebay but..
List it as the famous GM forum scandal sale collectors item club buy it now £100
List it as the famous GM forum scandal sale collectors item club buy it now £100
bigslice
Tour Winner
lol i use loctite stuff for gas fitting, the reason for glue was to fill the gaps in the crack
Losttheplot
Tour Rookie
Let me come in here and try and clear up a few things since I am the seller of the driver the OP bought....
Just want to say first that If i'd of seen this thread any earlier then I'd of come into it then but I don't get a lot of time to browse with having a 9 month old boy these days.
Before I sold the club in question I inspected the club, advertised it on here and put some pictures up. When I inspected the club I did so without taking the weights out as I would never have thought they'd be an issue inside the club head itself!
(how many people on here honestly remove the weights and get a torch out to look inside the clubhead?? you'd need a boroscope kit to fully inspect the inside of a clubhead to see around the corners etc so anyone who says they fully inspect the inside of the clubhead Id be slightly sceptical)
I inspected the rest of the club and didnt see any problems with the clubhead.
As i said to the OP in a PM, I didnt mess around with the weights when I used the club but I did check tighten them (using a TM wrench) before I sent it and also every few rounds, as I do with the other clubs I have with an adjustable setting.
I never once noticed a crack on the outside of the clubhead where the weights are, I never had any extra movement from the weights when check tightening them and the club never made any funny sounds when striking a ball. The club to me performs as it should do.
To clarify one point from someone elses comments, the previous owner had it from new and used a TM wrench so maybe he put the extra weighted weight in so its not a factory set up in the weights issued to the club. He is a good friend of mine who Ive known for years and I know he wouldnt use anything other than the TM wrench to fit a weight. It was slightly awkward when I asked him about it a few days ago knowing how meticulous he is about his golf gear and how everything has to be good, clean etc (slightly OCD the level he goes to if you ask me lol)
So from my point of view I have used this club for about 12 months (on and off thats why I sold it...) without ever noticing a crack, hearing a bad sound when striking or seeing any extra movement from the weights.
I have then inspected the club before selling, not seen any damage to the outside of the clubhead where the weights are or in any other area.
And within days of selling it, Ive been told its damaged...
Thats my side of the factual stuff out of the way, Im sure there will be odd bits come to me as people post stuff...
I'd just like to agree with the OP that he has never accused me of willingly selling a damaged club, nor have I accused him of directly damaging the club and trying to pull a fast one. The PM's sent between eachother have been polite and Ive tried to remain objective and not make any accusations or assumptions but it is hard when your trying to resolve something like this.
For me this is a hard one because I am a genuine and honest guy and have sold a club I have had for 12 months that I have never hd problems with, know its been looked after since my mate bought it new, looked after it when I had it, Ive inspected it and sold it on knowing there isnt a problem with it.
I dont know the Buyer from the next person on here, for all I know he could have easily cross threaded the weight when putting a weight in, dropped it on the floor, damaged the club when removing a weight, he could have done a multitude of things to cause damage to the club.
All I have to go on is the factual information I know before I sold it and a statement from the buyer saying how its now damaged and I am to trust him and refund him and take every word he says as Gospel and the truth. Im not being funny or accusing him of anything here Im just presenting my side of the story and the things that run through my head about this issue.
Can every person on this site really say with the information that I have stated about my ownership of the club and how i never noticed anything wrong with it that they would believe 100% of complete strangers on here that they didnt damage it and want to get some money back???
Just to reiterate Im not making accusations of anyone telling lies or knowingly damaging a club and asking for money back. Bigslice has never said Ive accused him of that and I still arent.
From my point of view though Ive sold a good club with no problems to it and most people on here simply expect me to roll over and hand money back to a complete stranger on his word... Tough situation to be in.
I ask people on here to look at themselves and ask themself this: If you were to sell your current driver from out of your bag, inspect it, know it doesnt sound strange when hitting, think/know in your own mind its 100% good, then the buyer who is a complete stranger a few days later tells you its broken and wants their money back...??? would you roll over at the first hurdle and pay up??
Id be suprised how many people have the bollocks to turn around and say "actually no I wouldnt" because theres a lot of people gunning for me on here by asking for a name and shame and so they never are to business with that person again.
Its a shame for me really because the people I have met on here at forum meets and other events will know how i'm an honest and genuine type of guy and for people to prejudge me on here without my side of the story says a lot about the characters of themselves.
Just want to say first that If i'd of seen this thread any earlier then I'd of come into it then but I don't get a lot of time to browse with having a 9 month old boy these days.
Before I sold the club in question I inspected the club, advertised it on here and put some pictures up. When I inspected the club I did so without taking the weights out as I would never have thought they'd be an issue inside the club head itself!
(how many people on here honestly remove the weights and get a torch out to look inside the clubhead?? you'd need a boroscope kit to fully inspect the inside of a clubhead to see around the corners etc so anyone who says they fully inspect the inside of the clubhead Id be slightly sceptical)
I inspected the rest of the club and didnt see any problems with the clubhead.
As i said to the OP in a PM, I didnt mess around with the weights when I used the club but I did check tighten them (using a TM wrench) before I sent it and also every few rounds, as I do with the other clubs I have with an adjustable setting.
I never once noticed a crack on the outside of the clubhead where the weights are, I never had any extra movement from the weights when check tightening them and the club never made any funny sounds when striking a ball. The club to me performs as it should do.
To clarify one point from someone elses comments, the previous owner had it from new and used a TM wrench so maybe he put the extra weighted weight in so its not a factory set up in the weights issued to the club. He is a good friend of mine who Ive known for years and I know he wouldnt use anything other than the TM wrench to fit a weight. It was slightly awkward when I asked him about it a few days ago knowing how meticulous he is about his golf gear and how everything has to be good, clean etc (slightly OCD the level he goes to if you ask me lol)
So from my point of view I have used this club for about 12 months (on and off thats why I sold it...) without ever noticing a crack, hearing a bad sound when striking or seeing any extra movement from the weights.
I have then inspected the club before selling, not seen any damage to the outside of the clubhead where the weights are or in any other area.
And within days of selling it, Ive been told its damaged...
Thats my side of the factual stuff out of the way, Im sure there will be odd bits come to me as people post stuff...
I'd just like to agree with the OP that he has never accused me of willingly selling a damaged club, nor have I accused him of directly damaging the club and trying to pull a fast one. The PM's sent between eachother have been polite and Ive tried to remain objective and not make any accusations or assumptions but it is hard when your trying to resolve something like this.
For me this is a hard one because I am a genuine and honest guy and have sold a club I have had for 12 months that I have never hd problems with, know its been looked after since my mate bought it new, looked after it when I had it, Ive inspected it and sold it on knowing there isnt a problem with it.
I dont know the Buyer from the next person on here, for all I know he could have easily cross threaded the weight when putting a weight in, dropped it on the floor, damaged the club when removing a weight, he could have done a multitude of things to cause damage to the club.
All I have to go on is the factual information I know before I sold it and a statement from the buyer saying how its now damaged and I am to trust him and refund him and take every word he says as Gospel and the truth. Im not being funny or accusing him of anything here Im just presenting my side of the story and the things that run through my head about this issue.
Can every person on this site really say with the information that I have stated about my ownership of the club and how i never noticed anything wrong with it that they would believe 100% of complete strangers on here that they didnt damage it and want to get some money back???
Just to reiterate Im not making accusations of anyone telling lies or knowingly damaging a club and asking for money back. Bigslice has never said Ive accused him of that and I still arent.
From my point of view though Ive sold a good club with no problems to it and most people on here simply expect me to roll over and hand money back to a complete stranger on his word... Tough situation to be in.
I ask people on here to look at themselves and ask themself this: If you were to sell your current driver from out of your bag, inspect it, know it doesnt sound strange when hitting, think/know in your own mind its 100% good, then the buyer who is a complete stranger a few days later tells you its broken and wants their money back...??? would you roll over at the first hurdle and pay up??
Id be suprised how many people have the bollocks to turn around and say "actually no I wouldnt" because theres a lot of people gunning for me on here by asking for a name and shame and so they never are to business with that person again.
Its a shame for me really because the people I have met on here at forum meets and other events will know how i'm an honest and genuine type of guy and for people to prejudge me on here without my side of the story says a lot about the characters of themselves.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
LTP, fair play to you for coming on and posting as you did. You seem a fair enough guy and I can confirm bigslice is as genuine as they come too.
Personally I'd agree with your comment about saying actually no I wouldnt offer a refund right away however given the length of dialogue you have have no doubt had with Davie im sure you'll be of the mind set he is genuine. Selling on this type of forum is all about trust and as you will know Davie sent payment without even really knowing you or if he would see the club, that is trust also.
Tough one, maybe you pair need to reach an agreement somewhere as it looks right now that Davie is carrying the can on this unjustly and I dont think he should (just an opinion and not a dig LTP).
Good luck to both and hope you get an amicable resolution.
Personally I'd agree with your comment about saying actually no I wouldnt offer a refund right away however given the length of dialogue you have have no doubt had with Davie im sure you'll be of the mind set he is genuine. Selling on this type of forum is all about trust and as you will know Davie sent payment without even really knowing you or if he would see the club, that is trust also.
Tough one, maybe you pair need to reach an agreement somewhere as it looks right now that Davie is carrying the can on this unjustly and I dont think he should (just an opinion and not a dig LTP).
Good luck to both and hope you get an amicable resolution.
chrisd
Major Champion
And that pretty well sums up the buying/selling of secondhand goods. If you buy a car privately and it goes kaput in week unless it was clearly misadvertised then you have no come back. To be fair to Losttheplot, he clearly didn't know the fault with it and if it wasn't for selling it here, where we all voice opinions, then Bigslice would have no comback - I think that both have acted in the utmost good faith from their respective positions and that we should butt out and let them do what they think is best
elliottlale
Q-School Graduate
Having read all the dialogue on this thread, if I was LTP I don't think I would pay back the money and if I was the buyer I'd take it as a lesson. It's a ***** situation, but one that has no positive outcome for both parties! Or, just flip a virtual coin as that would be the only way to resolve such an awkward situation
bluewolf
Money List Winner
I probably wouldn't give a full refund, but I would look at ways of compromising. How about selling the club then splitting the difference. If it gets £50 then BS keeps it. If it gets £30 then LTP refunds a tenner.
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