Slow play again

[HomerJSimpson]

Pace of play is a protected characteristic under the disability discrimination act.

Denying slow players the right to play at their pace opens up the club to be sued.

Hence my statement that we can't prevent them booking as and when or playing as drawn. We just refer to it amongst ourselves when discussing who is out when as BR or AR (Before Russell or After Russell)

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Our medal round times seemed to improve after in Q3 of last year we introduced recording of start and completion times on a board beside the score entry terminal and card box in our clubhouse lobby.

 

[IanM]

Pace of play is a protected characteristic under the disability discrimination act.

Denying slow players the right to play at their pace opens up the club to be sued.

That's not true is it.

The Act makes no provision for excessive plumb bobbing, aim pointing, leaving trolleys in the wrong place, fumbling around your bag looking for tees, talking when you should be hitting, texting and taking on the phone etc etc etc

 

[sunshine]

That's not true is it.

The Act makes no provision for excessive plumb bobbing, aim pointing, leaving trolleys in the wrong place, fumbling around your bag looking for tees, talking when you should be hitting, texting and taking on the phone etc etc etc

But golfers should not have to hide who they are. They should be able to identify as slow golfers without fear of repercussions.

Speed shaming is not acceptable in society today

 

[Golfnut1957]

But golfers should not have to hide who they are. They should be able to identify as slow golfers without fear of repercussions.

Speed shaming is not acceptable in society today

As from this week, you can't even discuss this in Scotland.

 

[IanM]

But golfers should not have to hide who they are. They should be able to identify as slow golfers without fear of repercussions.

Speed shaming is not acceptable in society today

Will get you locked up in Scotland presumably. Assuming you are not an otherwise protected.

Maybe JK Rowling will get involved

 

[IanM]

Ooh snap!

 

[GB72]

But golfers should not have to hide who they are. They should be able to identify as slow golfers without fear of repercussions.

Speed shaming is not acceptable in society today

Actually this is a bit of a point. Being a slow golfer is seen as an insult and an affront so people simply cannot admit to it and accept that they need to let people through or play at a quieter time. So much grief has been thrown in the direction of people that cannot or do not want to hurtle round that most simply will not accept that they are not up with the pace. That is what it has become and a reason why people are not played through, golfers will rarely admit their fault and the disdain shown to slower golfers in all manner of media, is it surprising that people will not admit to it.

Not a new thing either, I am guessing that people have been complaining about and looking for solutions for slow play for what, 30 years or more. Perhaps time to admit that it is never going to change unless there is a change of attitude or a whole new approach including setting what time you can play based on your general pace.

 

[clubchamp98]

Actually this is a bit of a point. Being a slow golfer is seen as an insult and an affront so people simply cannot admit to it and accept that they need to let people through or play at a quieter time. So much grief has been thrown in the direction of people that cannot or do not want to hurtle round that most simply will not accept that they are not up with the pace. That is what it has become and a reason why people are not played through, golfers will rarely admit their fault and the disdain shown to slower golfers in all manner of media, is it surprising that people will not admit to it.

Not a new thing either, I am guessing that people have been complaining about and looking for solutions for slow play for what, 30 years or more. Perhaps time to admit that it is never going to change unless there is a change of attitude or a whole new approach including setting what time you can play based on your general pace.

I think the three minute limit has an effect on calling through.
Three mins is not enough time to let a game through.
So they look for a bit and say “ let’s carry on”

This is my experience of it.

Under the five min rule it wasn’t perfect but at least you had more time to find your ball.
Under the three min one your just watching the game behind go through as your times up by the time they have teed off.

 

[Backsticks]

I think the three minute limit has an effect on calling through.
Three mins is not enough time to let a game through.
So they look for a bit and say “ let’s carry on”

This is my experience of it.

Under the five min rule it wasn’t perfect but at least you had more time to find your ball.
Under the three min one your just watching the game behind go through as your times up by the time they have teed off.

3 mins change might have had a positive incentive on letting groups through as the reality is that it buys you an extra few minutes above the regular three.

 

[clubchamp98]

3 mins change might have had a positive incentive on letting groups through as the reality is that it buys you an extra few minutes above the regular three.

Possibly but that’s not my experience.

 

[chrisd]

And when I was in The Army I was in the Regimental Shooting Team

Is that why you get more shots than someone with a Gatling gun ??

 

[sunshine]

I think the three minute limit has an effect on calling through.
Three mins is not enough time to let a game through.
So they look for a bit and say “ let’s carry on”

This is my experience of it.

Under the five min rule it wasn’t perfect but at least you had more time to find your ball.
Under the three min one your just watching the game behind go through as your times up by the time they have teed off.

This is a good point I hadn't thought of.

Previously, you would look for a minute, decide you weren't going to find the ball immediately, call the group through, and then you have another 4 minutes to do a proper search.
Now, you search for a couple of minutes, spot the group waiting behind, and then search for another minute. It's not worth waving anyone through.

 

[clubchamp98]

This is a good point I hadn't thought of.

Previously, you would look for a minute, decide you weren't going to find the ball immediately, call the group through, and then you have another 4 minutes to do a proper search.
Now, you search for a couple of minutes, spot the group waiting behind, and then search for another minute. It's not worth waving anyone through.

Yes that’s exactly what I see happening.
Instead of speeding up play I think its actually made it slower.
And players standing on the tee watching the search are getting more and more annoyed,, seen a few arguments in the clubhouse over this.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Will get you locked up in Scotland presumably. Assuming you are not an otherwise protected.

Maybe JK Rowling will get involved

Mildly amusing to see this post on a forum that bans political comments.

 

[IanM]

Mildly amusing to see this post on a forum that bans political comments.

Says our champion troller of "all things English!"

That was a legal observation about existing statute. It makes no reference to any political party or politicians.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Actually this is a bit of a point. Being a slow golfer is seen as an insult and an affront so people simply cannot admit to it and accept that they need to let people through or play at a quieter time. So much grief has been thrown in the direction of people that cannot or do not want to hurtle round that most simply will not accept that they are not up with the pace. That is what it has become and a reason why people are not played through, golfers will rarely admit their fault and the disdain shown to slower golfers in all manner of media, is it surprising that people will not admit to it.

Not a new thing either, I am guessing that people have been complaining about and looking for solutions for slow play for what, 30 years or more. Perhaps time to admit that it is never going to change unless there is a change of attitude or a whole new approach including setting what time you can play based on your general pace.

In his book The Complete Golfer published in 1905, Harry Vardon advised readers as follows…

If from any cause whatever you are playing a very slow game, don't miss an opportunity of inviting the couple behind you to pass. It will please them, and will be far more comfortable for you. But if your match is behind a slow one, do not be offensive in pressing upon the match in front by making rude remarks and occasionally playing when they are within range. You do not know what troubles they are enduring. Remember the story of the old player, who, on a ball being driven past him by the couple behind, sent his caddie with his card to the offender, and with it the message, "Mr. Blank presents his compliments, and begs to say that though he may be playing slowly he can play a devil of a lot more slowly if he likes!"

He also had a great dislike of 4BBB for it being inherently very slow (and for a whole variety of other golfing reasons) and so to be avoided.

This new foursome is also a selfish game, because it is generally played with too little regard for the convenience and feelings of other golfers on the links. It is very slow, and couples coming up behind, who do not always care to ask to be allowed to go through, are often irritated beyond measure as they wait while four balls are played through the green in front of them, and eight putts are taken on the putting green. The constant waiting puts them off their game and spoils their day.

 

[GB72]

In his book The Complete Golfer published in 1905, Harry Vardon advised readers as follows…

If from any cause whatever you are playing a very slow game, don't miss an opportunity of inviting the couple behind you to pass. It will please them, and will be far more comfortable for you. But if your match is behind a slow one, do not be offensive in pressing upon the match in front by making rude remarks and occasionally playing when they are within range. You do not know what troubles they are enduring. Remember the story of the old player, who, on a ball being driven past him by the couple behind, sent his caddie with his card to the offender, and with it the message, "Mr. Blank presents his compliments, and begs to say that though he may be playing slowly he can play a devil of a lot more slowly if he likes!"

He also had a great dislike of 4BBB for it being inherently very slow - and so to be avoided.

And there we have it, over a century and slow play has never been solved. My opinion, and a very unpopular one it is, get rid of playing through. Play at the pace of the course then there would be no inclination to pester and harass the group in front and everyone would be more relaxed. Pesonally never played a round if I did not have at least 6 hours from turning up free to play the round etc. Normally I was safely back home after 5 hours including a drink but the time was there if I needed it. On a slow round, just enjoyed being out and about in the fresh air with mates.

As I have said, the slowest rounds I have played and have been on forum Help for Heroes Days and on the old GM organised forum meets. Had a great time at all of them but saw no sign of the 3.5 hour rounds mentioned here.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That was a legal observation about existing statute. It makes no reference to any political party or politicians.

Aye right.

 

[sunshine]

My opinion, and a very unpopular one it is, get rid of playing through. Play at the pace of the course then there would be no inclination to pester and harass the group in front and everyone would be more relaxed.

Quicker players would still pester the group in front and become irritated. Slower players who are normally considerate and let groups through would feel harrassed.

I know it's just an opinion, and I'm really sorry I don't want to be rude. But I can't help laughing because it's one of the worst ideas I've heard on this forum