Slow play again

[SteveJay]

No.
Read my posts

I have, regrettably

 

[Golfnut1957]

at our club there are a couple of low Handicappers who are ultra slow, i get that they don't have many shots to play with so every one of them has to count but it is painful if your behind them, however when you see a gap on the start sheet in front of them you know your going to have a very chilled round!

Great isn't it. You put your name on the start sheet, then when you check later you discover that a slowball have booked right before you, but there is a spot in front of them so you take that instead, knowing that you will be able to play in peace at a snail's pace and still be twice as quick as them.

 

[bobmac]

I have, regrettably

Am I missing something, as that sounds exactly like telling people when they can tee off....slowest must go out later???

So you must have read my comments that have said

No-one is saying you cant play before 9.30, it's just that you will be encouraged to play at a quicker pace than you might find comfortable.
Just like faster players can play later if they want to but they will have to accept it will be a slow round.

If, for any reason, a slow player needs to go out early then fine but they are probably not going to enjoy their game. The same goes for sprinters going out last.

For the third time... no-one is telling people when they must play.

For the fourth time, play when you want, but accept that the early tee times will be quick and the later slower.

And again, no-one is dictating or imposing any time you must play at.

So if you were in charge, how would you stop slow play?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It is all handicap standards. We have a guy off 13 that is notoriously slow and no amount of chasing by his PP's will make a difference and they are invariably a hole behind the group in front. It got to breaking point in a comp in October played in the pouring rain when his group were two holes behind and we were waiting on every shot. Not as bad on a dry day but in the conditions you just want to keep moving. I put in a letter of complaint as it was simply unacceptable. I think a quiet word was had but the problem hasn't been tackled. He simply addresses the ball and it can take anything from 30 to 44 seconds (and yes we have timed it) to then swing and hit it

 

[Slab]

It is all handicap standards. We have a guy off 13 that is notoriously slow and no amount of chasing by his PP's will make a difference and they are invariably a hole behind the group in front. It got to breaking point in a comp in October played in the pouring rain when his group were two holes behind and we were waiting on every shot. Not as bad on a dry day but in the conditions you just want to keep moving. I put in a letter of complaint as it was simply unacceptable. I think a quiet word was had but the problem hasn't been tackled. He simply addresses the ball and it can take anything from 30 to 44 seconds (and yes we have timed it) to then swing and hit it

Video it and show him

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Video it and show him

Or leave him behind!

 

[bobmac]

Or leave him behind!

Or encourage him to play later where he can relax and play at the pace he wants to play at

 

[Orikoru]

Or have him killed!

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Or encourage him to play later where he can relax and play at the pace he wants to play at

And move the problem to a different time of day. Great idea.

 

[bobmac]

And move the problem to a different time of day. Great idea.

The time of day which is behind quicker players where he won't hold anyone up

 

[Deleted member 29109]

The time of day which is behind quicker players where he won't hold anyone up

I’m out

 

[Backsticks]

Video it and show him

I think the mistake is thinking they would see anything wrong.

They play at their pace.
Faster players see slower players from their perspective, and some faster players see it as a flaw to be corrected. And that if the slower player was aware they were slower, they would agree, and consider themselves slow and so needing to increase their pace. As if they just need their eyes opened.
But this is not the case. The slower player will say, yes, slower than you, but a perfectly acceptable place to me, deal with it.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Or encourage him to play later where he can relax and play at the pace he wants to play at

Bit difficult in drawn comps and with an open booking system for casual rounds. That would be seen as discriminatory. And yes we have filmed it. His reply is "I'm one of the quickest getting to my ball so I am saving time"

 

[Orikoru]

I think the mistake is thinking they would see anything wrong.

They play at their pace.
Faster players see slower players from their perspective, and some faster players see it as a flaw to be corrected. And that if the slower player was aware they were slower, they would agree, and consider themselves slow and so needing to increase their pace. As if they just need their eyes opened.
But this is not the case. The slower player will say, yes, slower than you, but a perfectly acceptable place to me, deal with it.

When it's people who are standing over the ball for ages, I do believe that they are in their own head and have no idea how long they're standing there. I have a mate who used to be like this, but luckily he worked through it and is generally fine these days. But they don't realise it as they have a hundred thoughts running through their head typically.

 

[Slab]

I think the mistake is thinking they would see anything wrong.

They play at their pace.
Faster players see slower players from their perspective, and some faster players see it as a flaw to be corrected. And that if the slower player was aware they were slower, they would agree, and consider themselves slow and so needing to increase their pace. As if they just need their eyes opened.
But this is not the case. The slower player will say, yes, slower than you, but a perfectly acceptable place to me, deal with it.

I have to belive that at the extremes of snails and racers (and 30+ frozen/waggling is extreme) anyone would see an issue when watching a video of a runner or a statue

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Courses need Starters, Marshalls or volunteers to act as Starters.
After all it is against the rules to start early...
Start times should be enforced, those that abuse starters should simply be taken out and shot.

Agree with above [except the shooting bit ]

In the 1980/90's I managed one of England's busiest Muni's with a club membership of over 1,000.
As the course got busier we examined the 7 min tee times and it's impact on the mayhem that peak time 500 rounds a day could cause [18 and 9 hole courses + 30 bay covered range.]
We introduced a new pre booking system, quite ahead of the game in those days. We also included a £10 default charged for missed/late tee times.
Changed to 10 min times on 18 and 8 mins on the 9.
The 9 hole pre booking caused major strife to start with but we stuck with it
We employed more starters and rangers.
Our numbers dropped for about 6 months then we started to gain customers on previous years, especially at off peak and off season times.

After 6 months agro across the board from just about everyone, except the greenkeepers, it settled down and worked really well.
Toughest job was the 18 hole tee 1st starter holding players up until the group in front were 50 yards short of the par 5 green
Speed of play quickened quite considerably, customer satisfaction rose slightly, customer complaints decreased massively.

 

[Backsticks]

Agree with above [except the shooting bit ]

In the 1980/90's I managed one of England's busiest Muni's with a club membership of over 1,000.
As the course got busier we examined the 7 min tee times and it's impact on the mayhem that peak time 500 rounds a day could cause [18 and 9 hole courses + 30 bay covered range.]
We introduced a new pre booking system, quite ahead of the game in those days. We also included a £10 default charged for missed/late tee times.
Changed to 10 min times on 18 and 8 mins on the 9.
The 9 hole pre booking caused major strife to start with but we stuck with it
We employed more starters and rangers.
Our numbers dropped for about 6 months then we started to gain customers on previous years, especially at off peak and off season times.

After 6 months agro across the board from just about everyone, except the greenkeepers, it settled down and worked really well.
Toughest job was the 18 hole tee 1st starter holding players up until the group in front were 50 yards short of the par 5 green
Speed of play quickened quite considerably, customer satisfaction rose slightly, customer complaints decreased massively.

Funny how some people can find 10 minutes to wait around the first tee to start, and dont call it slow play. But if those same 10 mins were spread out to a minute waiting to play on each tee from 8th-18th, they would be fuming about slow playing delaying them on every hole.
Its six of one half dozen of the other.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Funny how some people can find 10 minutes to wait around the first tee to start, and dont call it slow play. But if those same 10 mins were spread out to a minute waiting to play on each tee from 8th-18th, they would be fuming about slow playing delaying them on every hole.
Its six of one half dozen of the other.

Erm they are not waiting on the tee, they are waiting to start on the tee time they booked to play.

I would not want to be with you at the airport.

 

[Backsticks]

Erm they are not waiting on the tee, they are waiting to start on the tee time they booked to play.

I would not want to be with you at the airport.

The bottom line is they find the time. The world doesnt explode because they are standing around chatting to their pals for a few minutes. Yet on the 15th, its an intellerable imposition that has them mumbling about giving up the game...

(I am quite the George Clooney Up in the Air, airport traveller by the way.)

 

[sunshine]

Bit difficult in drawn comps and with an open booking system for casual rounds. That would be seen as discriminatory. And yes we have filmed it. His reply is "I'm one of the quickest getting to my ball so I am saving time"

Pace of play is a protected characteristic under the disability discrimination act.

Denying slow players the right to play at their pace opens up the club to be sued.