Slow play again

[Pants]

I'm not sure I understand your question.
You say 10 minute spacing helps, but that means less tee times available, especially in the winter.
So more people after fewer slots.
If you want to play earlier in the day, get to the booking system earlier before all the spaces go.
Or
Organise your life better so you can play later.
The golf club doesn't revolve around one person.
Personally I would have 8 minute intervals and close the sheet 5 hours before dark.

Re BIB.

As a golfer with a high handicap, some people might argue that I might play slowly due to taking more shots. Therefore, under your preferred system, I wouldn't be allowed to book an early tee time. However, the golf club shouldn't solely revolve around fast players. In club competitions, if most groups complete their rounds in a similar time, say 3.45, 4.00, or 4.15 hours, that should be considered the standard. Faster players should anticipate this and perhaps play with someone of average speed to moderate their pace. Slower players should be encouraged to pick up their pace. Additionally, allowing groups to play through can significantly slow down subsequent groups, adding 5-10 minutes each time.

 

[bobmac]

There are fewer times available, but also fewer people wanting to play in winter.

Anyway, I’m out as I need to go and tell the wife, kids and my boys football team that I am stopping all weekend morning activities with them as I am organising my life better to play golf earlier.

Must be nice to have nothing else to think about!

I still don't understand the point you're making.
You cant play in the morning because of your kids football, fair enough, Saturday and Sunday?

 

[bobmac]

Re BIB.

As a golfer with a high handicap, some people might argue that I might play slowly due to taking more shots. Therefore, under your preferred system, I wouldn't be allowed to book an early tee time. However, the golf club shouldn't solely revolve around fast players. In club competitions, if most groups complete their rounds in a similar time, say 3.45, 4.00, or 4.15 hours, that should be considered the standard. Faster players should anticipate this and perhaps play with someone of average speed to moderate their pace. Slower players should be encouraged to pick up their pace. Additionally, allowing groups to play through can significantly slow down subsequent groups, adding 5-10 minutes each time.

I have said repeatedly, no-one is telling you when you can and can't play.

I'm sure most groups can and do complete their rounds 3.45-4.15 but not all.
All I'm saying is faster players are encouraged to tee off early so they can't complain about being held up.
Followed by the majority who take 3.45-4.15, followed by those who take longer who won't hold anyone up.

 

[clubchamp98]

Just looked at our tee sheets.

Midweek we don’t book as such but if you want a particular time you can book it all 10 mins slots.
Weekends / comps they go to 8 min slots.
Might explain why the comps are so slow and midweek isn’t.

 

[bobmac]

Just looked at our tee sheets.

Midweek we don’t book as such but if you want a particular time you can book it all 10 mins slots.
Weekends / comps they go to 8 min slots.
Might explain why the comps are so slow and midweek isn’t.

I guess that's because more people want to play at the weekend so they get more tee times

 

[clubchamp98]

Re BIB.

As a golfer with a high handicap, some people might argue that I might play slowly due to taking more shots. Therefore, under your preferred system, I wouldn't be allowed to book an early tee time. However, the golf club shouldn't solely revolve around fast players. In club competitions, if most groups complete their rounds in a similar time, say 3.45, 4.00, or 4.15 hours, that should be considered the standard. Faster players should anticipate this and perhaps play with someone of average speed to moderate their pace. Slower players should be encouraged to pick up their pace. Additionally, allowing groups to play through can significantly slow down subsequent groups, adding 5-10 minutes each time.

You need more time if you’re playing more shots.
I think most normal golfers know this , we’ve all been there once.

What I have witnessed and hear others say is “ what happens in between shots”

The “red arrows” group who go around in formation not just going to their own ball.
Players just standing watching someone 50yds away on the other side of the hole instead of just playing.
Leaving bags in front of the green, marking cards on the green etc.

I know lots of higher cappers that are the faster players.
But the slowest player I have ever played with was off +3 he was snail like mostly on the greens.
He was so slow my regular pp asked him not to put his name with us again.

 

[clubchamp98]

I guess that's because more people want to play at the weekend so they get more tee times

Yes but vastly more complaints.

 

[Slab]

I guess that's because more people want to play at the weekend so they get more tee times

I suspect you're right

I wonder if the club also adjusts its stated 'expected pace of play/round time' between general play on a Wednesday and thje rounds played at weekends & comps (or maybe that's the one used as the default)

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Moreover I wonder if the adjustment from 10 to 8 is communicated to members along the lines of... "to facilitate the larger fields and interest in weekend and comp rounds we have reduced the tee spacing down to 8min, this may increase the overall time taken to play your round but is done to allow as many members as possible to play. The weekend expected pace of play is therefore increased to xxx"

It might stop some from comparing it to the time for a midweek round and complaining of slow play

 

[bobmac]

Yes but vastly more complaints.

I guess the club has to find a balance between people complaining about slow play (8 min gaps) or having 10 minute gaps and people not getting a game at all

 

[Deleted member 29109]

I still don't understand the point you're making.
You cant play in the morning because of your kids football, fair enough, Saturday and Sunday?

Yep, but not just football, both kids have stuff on both days of the weekend most of the year, and I also coach another group of youn kids on Sunday mornings.

So, most weekends I can't play untill after lunch apart from a few weeks in the summer that I'm not on hioliday.

Under your proposal, not onl would I have to contend with the ususal pitch marks, unraked bunkers and footprints left on the greens, I would be stuck with the slower players, potentially suffer 5 hour+ rounds and run the risk of not getting round at all.

No thanks.

 

[bobmac]

Yep, but not just football, both kids have stuff on both days of the weekend most of the year, and I also coach another group of youn kids on Sunday mornings.

So, most weekends I can't play untill after lunch apart from a few weeks in the summer that I'm not on hioliday.

Under your proposal, not onl would I have to contend with the ususal pitch marks, unraked bunkers and footprints left on the greens, I would be stuck with the slower players, potentially suffer 5 hour+ rounds and run the risk of not getting round at all.

No thanks.

As I've said before it's only the first 3 or 4 groups that are the sprinters and the last 3 or 4 groups that want or need to play slowly, all the rest would be the same.
So if you want to tee off after lunch, under my system there would be little difference except the 5 hour players would be behind you.

 

[rulefan]

Why is this thread no longer about 3 minute timers as mentioned in the OP?

 

[bobmac]

Why is this thread no longer about 3 minute timers as mentioned in the OP?

I guess it's because he asked

Chances of success in helping with slow play?

It seems most (including me) commented that it probably wouldn't help because the real reason for slow play is ..........

 

[rulie]

Our course starts with a shortish par 4 (380 yards), followed by a par 3 (150 yards), a shortish par 4 (370 yards) and then a short par 5 (490 yards). We use 8 minute intervals, no "starter" on the 1st tee. Several groups will start the first hole earlier than their tee time (when the preceding group is just out of range). This always makes for a much longer wait on the second tee and all the way until the sixth hole. It doesn't matter what "administration" plans if the players don't stick to the plan. I'd much rather wait on the putting green or the first tee for our scheduled time than wait on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th tees, but am often chided by the players in my group for not starting the 1st hole when the preceding group are walking after their second shots.

 

[rulie]

I guess it's because he asked

It seems most (including me) commented that it probably wouldn't help because the real reason for slow play is ..........

players.

 

[Imurg]

Courses need Starters, Marshalls or volunteers to act as Starters.
After all it is against the rules to start early...
Start times should be enforced, those that abuse starters should simply be taken out and shot.

 

[PaulMdj]

What's that got to do with anything?

The Analogy was the London Marathon, it’s a RACE, everybody is trying for their best time!

Maybe so, but I can still spot a fool from a mile away. That’s the good thing about mirrors!

 

[Mandofred]

The second one is more up Imurg line of thinking.....

 

[Dando]

Courses need Starters, Marshalls or volunteers to act as Starters.
After all it is against the rules to start early...
Start times should be enforced, those that abuse starters should simply be taken out and shot.

they should be made to join up with @PhilTheFragger for a round

 

[Imurg]

they should be made to join up with @PhilTheFragger for a round

Cruel and heartless...
I'd prefer to be shot I think...