Second vote ? Why not .?

[Foxholer]

Right. I'm going to make it simple.
Ireland were given the opportunity to change their mind before the result of the referendum was enacted. That proved to be a good decision. They used EU money to improve their infrastructure and are now a net contributor. They then voted in favour of the EU by a margin of 9:1.........

They did not have to have a second referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. The second referendum was "imposed" on them by the Government. If they so wanted they could have acted on the results of the initial referendum. They didn't.
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Dear oh dear! You really don't seem to have any understanding of the Irish referendum at all! Either that or you are attempting to put a completely different (and false) spin on the events!

Try actually reading some of the info about the Lisbon Treaty - even the article you quoted from! Here's a ref to a Wiki entry that I can't fault - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland Btw. That article also refers to a previous referendum - on the Treaty of Nice - that was rejected in the 1st referendum, but approved in the 2nd (after changes were negotiated).

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Now, I'm going to ignore you from now on. ...

Feel free to do so! I've no problem with that! It won't change my approach to your posts though!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Only 2, it feels soooooooooo many more. I agree about the legality, as have so many others, but is a pointless exercise. It was sold as the decision will be enacted upon. It was not sold as advisory. Everyone took part in it as being enacted upon, politicians, journalists, the public. It's crazy to keep going down that route.

 

[Fade and Die]

Here’re the thing, do you think that we've ever really been properly informed before a vote? All politicians spout nonsense, and we always vote for someone at an election who backtracks on what they said they'd do, so why is this any different?........I'll tell you why it's different, it's different because the upper-middle classes think they've been done over, that's why. The bottom line is that the great unwashed have spoken, and as much as the centre-left and their Guardian-reading chums don't like it, that's how it goes.
And we need to do it quickly because there's a dam bursting in Europe right now, mainly caused by the migration cock-up, and populist parties will rule the roost, nearly all of them anti-EU, so soon there'll be nothing to exit from.

 

[bluewolf]

Dear oh dear! You really don't seem to have any understanding of the Irish referendum at all! Either that or you are attempting to put a completely different (and false) spin on the events!

Try actually reading some of the info about the Lisbon Treaty - even the article you quoted from! Here's a ref to a Wiki entry that I can't fault - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-eighth_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland Btw. That article also refers to a previous referendum - on the Treaty of Nice - that was rejected in the 1st referendum, but approved in the 2nd (after changes were negotiated).

Feel free to do so! I've no problem with that! It won't change my approach to your posts though!

In my very last ever comment to you. In your haste to prove your intelligence you've tripped over your own feet in an almost comedic manner. After your initial mistake, you've done nothing but wriggle and squirm. I'm now going to treat you and your postings in much the same way I treat the old gent in the clubhouse who once birdied the 18th at St Andrews. I'm going to put on a vacant smile, nod every 12 seconds and watch the players tee off on the first.....

Oh, and I'll be sure to let Wiki know that you've given their post your seal of approval. I'm sure they'll be just as excited as I am.

 

[Foxholer]

In my very last ever comment to you. In your haste to prove your intelligence you've tripped over your own feet in an almost comedic manner. After your initial mistake, you've done nothing but wriggle and squirm. I'm now going to treat you and your postings in much the same way I treat the old gent in the clubhouse who once birdied the 18th at St Andrews. I'm going to put on a vacant smile, nod every 12 seconds and watch the players tee off on the first.....

Oh, and I'll be sure to let Wiki know that you've given their post your seal of approval. I'm sure they'll be just as excited as I am.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I hope we're all European today, lads and lasses.

 

[MegaSteve]

I hope we're all European today, lads and lasses.

Well, that shouldn't change whatever the outcome...

 

[Fade and Die]

I hope we're all European today, lads and lasses.

Absolutely 100%

Love Europe Hate the EU

 

[drdel]

Those arguing for a second vote need to state what would the question be....

 

[MegaSteve]

Those arguing for a second vote need to state what would the question be....

Well, I am neither in favour of or 'arguing' for a second vote...
Or, even believe it will happen...
But, to keep it simple, the question should be something along the lines of...
Should the first vote be reversed... Yes or No...

 

[Deleted member 18645]

Those arguing for a second vote need to state what would the question be....

1. Do you want to stay in the EU?
2. Do you want to leave the EU (any vote for this option is subject to ridicule and criticism until another similar vote is arranged at a later date)

 

[ColchesterFC]

Those arguing for a second vote need to state what would the question be....

Should the UK......
1) Accept the negotiated deal
2) Reject the deal and return for further negotiations
3) Reject the deal and leave with no deal

That would respect the result of the first vote and would satisfy those wanting a vote on the final deal. Obviously it wouldn't satisfy a lot of those who voted remain as when they say we "should have a 2nd referendum on the final deal" what they actually mean is " we want to stop Brexit by whatever means possible.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Or alternatively....

Should the UK....
1) Remain in the EU.
2) Stay in the EU.

 

[bladeplayer]

Hey Bill. How about we throw it back to you. As a representative of a country that rejected the EU, then had a 2nd vote forced upon you, then voted for the EU.

How did you feel then and how do you feel now. I'm genuinely interested in your POV as I'm sure we can learn something 👍

Hiya Mate yea we got the feeling we were going to have as many votes as we needed the gov to get the result they needed . When it got rejected they made changes and went back to the people and enough people changed their minds , don't think we were ever going to b allowed to hold up the EU decisions for too long as we are too small to survive alone .. So a 2nd no vote would possibly have lead to a 3rd vote . Too much esp farming is bolstered by the EU means we will always behave ..

Can't say despite following it I have enough knowledge of the ground feeling in UK .. Seems to me a lot that pushed it then realised oops this might happen maybe it's time to step back let others take the blame and we will build our political future on the back of it with a scapegoat to lay all the blame on ..
I fee this country is now bracing itself for a hard border over here which wil I am told have big implications on the peace process
My Inditial thoughts on brexit was there was too much "we will be fine" without the planing of how will we be fine

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

When do we stop? Best of 3, best of 5, where? We voted out; can we please get on with it?

You voted to leave the EU - and of the UK electorate who voted you were part of the small majority. But what did you vote for in respect of the quite separate process of re-engaging with the EU once we have left?

Come to think of it - when did you actually have the opportunity to make such a vote - because I think I must have missed it as I voted in the respect of leaving or remaining in the EU - but not - that I was aware of - of how we re-engage.

 

[drdel]

Should the UK......
1) Accept the negotiated deal
2) Reject the deal and return for further negotiations
3) Reject the deal and leave with no deal

That would respect the result of the first vote and would satisfy those wanting a vote on the final deal. Obviously it wouldn't satisfy a lot of those who voted remain as when they say we "should have a 2nd referendum on the final deal" what they actually mean is " we want to stop Brexit by whatever means possible.

Foul - only one binary question !!

If you have 3 options 'averaging' says it be indeterminant. so what if it was split.. third each?

 

[Fade and Die]

You voted to leave the EU - and of the UK electorate who voted you were part of the small majority. But what did you vote for in respect of the quite separate process of re-engaging with the EU once we have left?

Come to think of it - when did you actually have the opportunity to make such a vote - because I think I must have missed it as I voted in the respect of leaving or remaining in the EU - but not - that I was aware of - of how we re-engage.

Cough cough.......

 

[bluewolf]

Hiya Mate yea we got the feeling we were going to have as many votes as we needed the gov to get the result they needed . When it got rejected they made changes and went back to the people and enough people changed their minds , don't think we were ever going to b allowed to hold up the EU decisions for too long as we are too small to survive alone .. So a 2nd no vote would possibly have lead to a 3rd vote . Too much esp farming is bolstered by the EU means we will always behave ..

Can't say despite following it I have enough knowledge of the ground feeling in UK .. Seems to me a lot that pushed it then realised oops this might happen maybe it's time to step back let others take the blame and we will build our political future on the back of it with a scapegoat to lay all the blame on ..
I fee this country is now bracing itself for a hard border over here which wil I am told have big implications on the peace process
My Inditial thoughts on brexit was there was too much "we will be fine" without the planing of how will we be fine

Thanks mate. That's the response I was hoping for. I agree about the Blasé attitude. Too many people are telling me that we'll be fine. No one is telling me how we'll be fine.
The Irish border is a clusterf*** waiting to happen.
The fact that we now apparently have a Government Dept solely focused on food supplies is hilarious.
I'm on the edge of applying for a German passport just to be on the safe side 😂

 

[SocketRocket]

Thanks mate. That's the response I was hoping for. I agree about the Blasé attitude. Too many people are telling me that we'll be fine. No one is telling me how we'll be fine.
The Irish border is a clusterf*** waiting to happen.
The fact that we now apparently have a Government Dept solely focused on food supplies is hilarious.
I'm on the edge of applying for a German passport just to be on the safe side 😂

You could do Wurst.

 

[Old Skier]

Obviously all those on here who voted to remain and have since declared that they have accepted the democratic result will vote to leave if a 2nd vote ever comes about.

Or where they telling porkies.