Second vote ? Why not .?

[bluewolf]

Not a fan of a second vote. Voted Remain. Still think Leaving is a mistake. But that's what we voted for and that's what we get.

What I am in favour of is a full independent investigation into the behaviour and motives of some MP's and MEP's and any found guilty of profiteering from the immediate economic downturn should be tried as Traitors.

 

[Crazyface]

So as an outsider (technicaly) and following coverage on different meda outlets if the leave side are so sure leaving is still what the majority want , why not have a second vote .?

The way I see it the ordinary joe soaps on the street now have a good if not better idea of the advantages /disadvantages of the result..
I have no doubt both sides enhanced the good and bad to influence the vote their way .

Now all this is about to get very very serious why not give the people a chance to change their mind , either way, and get a result you know for definite the majority want ..

Has any1 really got anything to lose by a second vote ? If the majority still see out as the best option, it will be out, but if some feel they. mistakenly voted or voted without the full info of consequences haven't they got the right to change their minds

Just interested in how you the real people feel , any of ye want a second vote or happy to go with first result ?

Really???? I think not. Please tell me what, if anything, we gain from staying in. In all the wind generated by the politicians and all the remoaners afterwards I've still to hear what we gain out of staying in. You do know we can still go on holiday to Europe don't you? In fact half of Europe NEED us to go on holiday there.

 

[Crazyface]

It was a decision that should never have been given to the general public. Nobody is educated enough to know what it would mean. Should be left to the people we pay to make the laws and govern the country.

LOL LOL LOL. so we the people are not educated enough by the state to understand what the hell those in power are doing. Seriously!?

 

[Crazyface]

Yes agree 100%, Cameron promised a vote to appease the right wing of his party and it backfired on him badly, he must shoulder most of blame for the mess the country finds itself in, shameful he just walked away and washed his hands of it, his legacy will be one of the worst PMs we have ever had.

I voted remain and just wish the politicians would respect the vote of the majority and get us out be it for good or bad.

Rather sad I thought. He was doing a reasonable job at the time, and even bwed to pressure to have a vote. Don't blame him for walking away. He was a remainer, with knobs on, and wanted no part of leaving the EU, and all those trips and dinners. He wanted to be Prime Minister but being principled he couldn't negotiate for something he didn't believe in. This is why we are in a mess coz all the negotiations are being done by remoaners. Boris and the others should have stepped up and shown us what they could do, and they've now done it. So who to vote for next time? God knows!!!!!

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Yeah, do another vote. All we heard before the initial vote was a pack of lies from both sides. I think in the aftermath and intervening two years most people have a bit of a better understanding. Plus we've witnessed it being managed catastrophically. I feel like quite a few people would vote differently.

Do you think that 2 years of scaremongering and lies from the all the major media outlets driven by remainers have put "the people" in a better position to make an informed decision? If anything things are FAR worse now that pre vote as we've been barraged daily with doom and gloom from the media.

It would be an absolute brain washing farce if there were to be another vote.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

LOL LOL LOL. so we the people are not educated enough by the state to understand what the hell those in power are doing. Seriously!?

What about all the misleading and wrong information given out by both sides to sway voters? 300 million a week for the nhs? How many leave votes did that sway? When it was completely untrue.

The public don’t have enough facts to make a decision either way. We don’t know what we fully get to the EU or understand the importance of what we do get. Maybe we underestimate it.

Far too much doubt .

Maybe their should have been a vote on if it should be decided by the commons if we should leave or not by those in the know. The public should never have the final say

And the margin was far too close. Split the country down the middle... and also under 18s get no say in the vote which is standard yet the older generation will have to live with the aftermath of this mess a lot less than say a 16 year old leaving school last summer

It’s far far too important a decision for people who don’t have the entire facts in front of them.

 

[Orikoru]

Do you think that 2 years of scaremongering and lies from the all the major media outlets driven by remainers have put "the people" in a better position to make an informed decision? If anything things are FAR worse now that pre vote as we've been barraged daily with doom and gloom from the media.

It would be an absolute brain washing farce if there were to be another vote.

That's what happened before. All those 'major media outlets' wanted us out and made sure it happened.

 

[USER1999]

That's what happened before. All those 'major media outlets' wanted us out and made sure it happened.

Are these the same major media outlets that now want us in?

 

[Orikoru]

Are these the same major media outlets that now want us in?

According to Adam, yeah.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So we should leave the decision to our elite, the MP's, because the public are too stupid? Please watch each of the party conferences, see the MP's being interviewed and if anyone still believes that all 650 odd are an elite then I will laugh until my head falls off. I heard the Labour shadow Education Sec the other day and she can't put a sentence together. The Education Sec!!!!

 

[Crazyface]

What about all the misleading and wrong information given out by both sides to sway voters? 300 million a week for the nhs? How many leave votes did that sway? When it was completely untrue.

The public don’t have enough facts to make a decision either way. We don’t know what we fully get to the EU or understand the importance of what we do get. Maybe we underestimate it.

Far too much doubt .

Maybe their should have been a vote on if it should be decided by the commons if we should leave or not by those in the know. The public should never have the final say

And the margin was far too close. Split the country down the middle... and also under 18s get no say in the vote which is standard yet the older generation will have to live with the aftermath of this mess a lot less than say a 16 year old leaving school last summer

It’s far far too important a decision for people who don’t have the entire facts in front of them.

Oh well then let's have the 16 year old help in the decision making process. Most of them still think money grows on trees and the magic fairies wash and iron their clothes. Get a grip man! If this is what you think, you shouldn't vote either.

 

[patricks148]

i feel sorry for all the leavers who voted to have control over our borders and immigration from the EU, esp when we get more from outside and supposedly have control over that and now the Tories are saying we will get more immigration from the Indian subcontinent as part of a trade deal...

 

[woody69]

LOL LOL LOL. so we the people are not educated enough by the state to understand what the hell those in power are doing. Seriously!?

I don't understand what is so funny. He is absolutely correct.

It is why we elect governments to make these sort of decisions. Your average person doesn't understand the consequences to trade, borders, the economy etc. etc or the complexities of all the 100s of agreements we have in place in our relationship with the EU, the benefits it brings the downsides etc etc. it was just whittled down to mostly untrue soundbites. Still, this is all moot because the vote did happen.

 

[USER1999]

So an MP who was elected on the basis of promoting weekly bin collections is suddenly an expert in absolutely everything (esp financials)? These ifiots in parliament are no more clued in than the rest of us.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I voted to leave and would do so again. This view is reinforced by all the squabbling and obstructions put in the way by the EU who are determined to cause us as much strife as possible in our attempt to leave. Negotiating a leave strategy should not be difficult but clearly the other countries do not want us to leave because they will lose a cash cow.

 

[Tashyboy]

Unfortunately this thread like many others on Brexit has descended into the usual. He told lies, but he told bigger lies. The discussion is about a vote, and the over riding result at the moment is shove your second vote

 

[Tashyboy]

So an MP who was elected on the basis of promoting weekly bin collections is suddenly an expert in absolutely everything (esp financials)? These ifiots in parliament are no more clued in than the rest of us.

PMSL when your spelling of idiots cane up as ifiots

 

[woody69]

So an MP who was elected on the basis of promoting weekly bin collections is suddenly an expert in absolutely everything (esp financials)? These ifiots in parliament are no more clued in than the rest of us.

An individual MP, possibly not. The Government as a whole, yeah. That's their job.

I work within Financial Services relating to regulatory change. I don't know everything there is to know, but as a collective in my company we work together to come up with the solution we feel benefits the company most.

 

[Foxholer]

While I voted 'Remain', I can't see how can anyone actually justify having another vote! If there was another one, I'd certainly be inclined to vote Leave' because of that result!

There has been no new information. The calls for another referendum are being led by those who never wanted to leave and see the current 'difficulty' of negotiations as an opportunity to reverse the result! They are corrupting the democratic process imo!

Any 'vote on the deal negotiated' would simply be another opportunity, no different to the above, for those 'Remainers' who can't accept the result! What's really needed is a pragmatic, but reasonable, approach to the negotiations - that were always going to be difficult! The brinkmanship of the EU team is thoroughly understandable. But they need to be informed of the possible consequences - to the EU and its member states - should reasonable concessions not be made!

Unfortunately, the real sticking point, imo, will come down to the Irish border - as (almost) all other borders are 'controlled' already. As none of the parties involved want a 'hard' border, some sort of quantum leap in ideas/resolution seems to be required!

 

[ColchesterFC]

i feel sorry for all the leavers who voted to have control over our borders and immigration from the EU, esp when we get more from outside and supposedly have control over that and now the Tories are saying we will get more immigration from the Indian subcontinent as part of a trade deal...

I don't see why you'd need to feel sorry for them if they voted for control over immigration as that's exactly what we will have.

If we require skills that those from the Indian subcontinent provide then we will allow those people to come here and that would equally apply to someone from anywhere in the world. A skills based visa system allowing people, from all around the world, in professions we need that can be adjusted according to our requirements is surely better than simply allowing anyone to come here purely because they happened to be born in an EU country.