Second vote ? Why not .?

[Liverbirdie]

IF we did have a 2nd vote and it was to stay - is that not democracy???????

Dont we have a general election every few years to decide what party we want to govern us, whereas this is a decision that may echo down the generations, and yes including the main generations who didnt vote for it!

And okay, if we then need a best out of 3 go with that as well - its too big a decision to have any doubt asked of it. No doubt in my mind that the remainers were a bit blase, and I feel that many couldnt be bothered to vote as it looked a foregone conclusion, allied to many others leavers who did it as a protest vote, but didnt expect it to actually win. In my mind it would DEFINITELY be a different result, and thats why leavers dont want it to happen and hide behind a "well its democracy" standpoint - see opening line.

 

[MegaSteve]

Don't believe there will be a second vote... As it is now the 'political classes' have some wriggle room...
They are scared pooh less of another vote going the wrong way loosing them that wriggle room...

 

[Leftie]

No doubt in my mind that the remainers were a bit blase, and I feel that many couldnt be bothered to vote as it looked a foregone conclusion

Alternatively, no doubt that the leavers were a bit blase, and I feel that many couldn't be bothered to vote as it looked a foregone conclusion ......

As usual in this discussion, many people put forward a one sided blinkered view

 

[Liverbirdie]

Alternatively, no doubt that the leavers were a bit blase, and I feel that many couldn't be bothered to vote as it looked a foregone conclusion ......

As usual in this discussion, many people put forward a one sided blinkered view

Maybees, maybe not - lets have a 2nd vote then and anyone not being bothered to vote can have no qualms.

I think that the number of voters would greatly increase this time.

 

[Papas1982]

It’s a no from me.

The argument that more remainers May vote this time is irrelevant imo. If they couldn’t be bothered to vote before, thinking someone else would the they have to live with that.

We had a vote and the democratic thing to do is honour it. If after a few years eniugh people can be convinced that we should go back, then maybe have a vote and rejoin (they would take us back), but I suspect once it happens (if it does) then after a year or so people will see the world is still turning and it won’t make any difference.

Atm, it’s still just he said/she said in regards to what will happen. Pull out, win or without a deal and move on.

 

[Leftie]

lets have a 2nd vote then

Why??????????????????? We had a vote. We had a result. Enact it! What don't you, and all the others who want to change the result, understand? Nothing has changed since the referendum apart from the lies and attempted manipulation of "expert" opinion (yeh. On both sides).

The country was given the opportunity to vote in a referendum. The MAJORITY wanted out - for whatever reason(s). So out we should go.

 

[Slab]

I think everyone agrees it’s been a mess from the beginning and it’s just a bigger mess now & I’m sure no one knows how to fix it to everyone’s satisfaction. Subsequent votes won’t help reverse this

The countries representatives have failed all of the people on an unthinkable scale and not one will be held personally accountable

There is no 'fix' for this

 

[User20205]

Voted remain. Would still vote remain....but I don’t want a second vote. We need to get on with getting on. The fact we’re still discussing the outcome over 2 years later is a nonsense IMO & undermines any negotiation position that we have. If a significant minority can’t accept the first result, why should the second be any different

 

[ColchesterFC]

IF we did have a 2nd vote and it was to stay - is that not democracy???????

In my opinion democracy hasn't been served until the result of a vote has been enacted. It would be a bit like Labour winning the next election and everyone that voted Tory demanding a second vote because Labour would wreck the economy and those that voted Labour didn't know what they were voting for.

If in 5 years time there is support for a referendum on rejoining then let's have one. But I suspect many of those that voted remain wouldn't be happy with it as the terms of re-engagement are likely to be unacceptable to the majority. I think our contributions to the EU budget would be much greater (and we would lose the rebate), possibly having to join the Euro, an EU army etc.

 

[chrisd]

IF we did have a 2nd vote and it was to stay - is that not democracy???????

Dont we have a general election every few years to decide what party we want to govern us, whereas this is a decision that may echo down the generations, and yes including the main generations who didnt vote for it!

And okay, if we then need a best out of 3 go with that as well - its too big a decision to have any doubt asked of it. No doubt in my mind that the remainers were a bit blase, and I feel that many couldnt be bothered to vote as it looked a foregone conclusion, allied to many others leavers who did it as a protest vote, but didnt expect it to actually win. In my mind it would DEFINITELY be a different result, and thats why leavers dont want it to happen and hide behind a "well its democracy" standpoint - see opening line.

How would "keep voting until you come up with the result that the 1st vote losers want" be democratic?

When do the losing voters at a General Election get a 2nd vote just because the losers aren't happy with the winning party?

Several million voters didn't bother to vote, you can't know that they were, in the majority, remainers

How do you know that 17m leavers were purely protesting and suggest that they didn't really want to leave?

As you "definitely" know it'll be a different result then you have to be one of the remainers who just can't accept losing

If the EU were to give us a deal that we all wanted to vote on I think a majority might want that, but you just want a vote cos we got the 1st one wrong - no chance 👎

Have you been reading SILH's posts too often and been suckered into to believing his nonsense?

 

[Del_Boy]

No need for a 2nd vote - 1st vote went against my opinion but that is democracy. Anyway if there was a 2nd vote and it was remain. Would the EU let us remain on the same terms ie us keeping the pound

 

[Hobbit]

Wow!

Over 80% saying “No”. Surely we should have a second vote on whether or not we have a second vote!

 

[USER1999]

Wow!

Over 80% saying “No”. Surely we should have a second vote on whether or not we have a second vote!

May be the remainers haven't come out to vote because it's a bit cold?

 

[Deleted member 18121]

If there is a 2nd vote I will NEVER vote again. Democracy would be over and we'd be a laughing stock.

 

[Tashyboy]

As hobbit said in post number 3. But the thing is we are British. Not Scottish. We had a democratic vote and it went the way it went. End of story. To have a second vote sets a very dangerous precedent. Having seen the vote results. I am not alone in thinking that. It seems the minority are the loudest at shouting and moaning.

 

[Piece]

If there is a 2nd vote I will NEVER vote again. Democracy would be over and we'd be a laughing stock.

I wouldn't vote in the second ref because I would feel my vote isn't valued, knowing that it could be tossed in the bin with another ref later on.

 

[Kellfire]

There should be a second vote and hopefully then the idiots would step in line and do the right thing.

 

[Mudball]

We voted and it was the vote of the people to leave. "Vote of the People" is something I keep hearing from those wanting another chance to get the result they wanted. It's as if somehow it wasn't the vote of the people to leave - but it was - accept it, move on and focus on how we leave on the best possible terms.

It's also an insult to those that voted leave to suggest they were ignorant to the consequences and now would vote differently.

I agree with the sentiment.. but if you don’t like a PM or it’s Govt, do you get another chance to change it in 5 or less years? Or should we move to once in a lifetime parliament too?

 

[Dando]

How would "keep voting until you come up with the result that the 1st vote losers want" be democratic?

When do the losing voters at a General Election get a 2nd vote just because the losers aren't happy with the winning party?

Several million voters didn't bother to vote, you can't know that they were, in the majority, remainers

How do you know that 17m leavers were purely protesting and suggest that they didn't really want to leave?

As you "definitely" know it'll be a different result then you have to be one of the remainers who just can't accept losing

If the EU were to give us a deal that we all wanted to vote on I think a majority might want that, but you just want a vote cos we got the 1st one wrong - no chance 👎

Have you been reading SILH's posts too often and been suckered into to believing his nonsense?

Chris, have you forgotten that SILH has stated many times that they would've voted to remain and we all know that he only deals in facts

 

[Orikoru]

Yeah, do another vote. All we heard before the initial vote was a pack of lies from both sides. I think in the aftermath and intervening two years most people have a bit of a better understanding. Plus we've witnessed it being managed catastrophically. I feel like quite a few people would vote differently.