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I'm wondering whether England friendlies being so meaningless is a view held by supporters of clubs outside of the EPL

I would be more inclined to watch Burton Albion v Cheltenham Town in League 2 than an England friendly. The former is competitive the latter is................nwell it's not for me.
 

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i beleiev as Metal Mickie is a Brum fan he has answered your question

I still think they're important. I'd much rather watch us play Brazil in a friendly than against San Marino.

If friendliest had no significance they wouldn't be played at all.

I agree re op that city won't really care about losing this friendly. But I also belive that any player playing for England in a friendly will care as it's a chance to cement a place in the full team. As a saints fan, a lot of our (now ex) players hadn't to perform in said friendliest to earna place in Brazil.
 
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This obsession on the part of the media with friendlies hinders any little chance we have of developing the national side.

Managers have been reluctant to experiment with either players or formations for fear of losing and then being pilloried in the press. Thus we end up with more of the same old safety first tactics and reliance upon older players thereby hampering the emergence of new talent.

Compare this with Germany where results in friendlies do not appear to matter in the same way. Hence six of their 2009 Under 21 team appeared in the World Cup final. The team that they beat in 2009, England, had only one player through to their 2014 WC squad.
 

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This obsession on the part of the media with friendlies hinders any little chance we have of developing the national side.

Managers have been reluctant to experiment with either players or formations for fear of losing and then being pilloried in the press. Thus we end up with more of the same old safety first tactics and reliance upon older players thereby hampering the emergence of new talent.

Compare this with Germany where results in friendlies do not appear to matter in the same way. Hence six of their 2009 Under 21 team appeared in the World Cup final. The team that they beat in 2009, England, had only one player through to their 2014 WC squad.

Whikst that may have a factor. Simply giving youngsters a chance doesn't guarantee success.
I don't think there were too many youngsters that were worthy of a place at this World Cup. Our players just aren't good eniugh.
 
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Whikst that may have a factor. Simply giving youngsters a chance doesn't guarantee success.
I don't think there were too many youngsters that were worthy of a place at this World Cup. Our players just aren't good eniugh.

I certainly agree that, regardless of age, our players are not good enough. Poor coaching from primary school onward does not help, everybody fixated on results in two-bob leagues and tournaments and little focus on improving skills.

However, youngsters need to be given their opportunities if the manager is to learn anything. Sticking with older players has not exactly proved successful over the last 40 odd years.
 

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I certainly agree that, regardless of age, our players are not good enough. Poor coaching from primary school onward does not help, everybody fixated on results in two-bob leagues and tournaments and little focus on improving skills.

However, youngsters need to be given their opportunities if the manager is to learn anything. Sticking with older players has not exactly proved successful over the last 40 odd years.
I agree, but I actually think as much as certain fans don't like him. Hodgson was far more open to playing the youngsters than anyone since Peter Taylor.
 

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Put those herbal tea's away Doon we were dreadful against a team that Berwick Rangers could have put away. No quality up top at all.still. A decent striker and it would have been a mauling.

I think Miroslav Klose could be looking for a new challenge now that he has won the WC and WC top scorer of all time.
 

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I still think they're important. I'd much rather watch us play Brazil in a friendly than against San Marino.

If friendliest had no significance they wouldn't be played at all.

I agree re op that city won't really care about losing this friendly. But I also belive that any player playing for England in a friendly will care as it's a chance to cement a place in the full team. As a saints fan, a lot of our (now ex) players hadn't to perform in said friendliest to earna place in Brazil.

You mean they are played for a reason other than to swell the relevant FAs coffers currently?
 

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Its like the spainish league , Barcelona or Real Madrid , Scotland its Rangers or Celtic , now its just celtic , Dutch League , Ajax ,and ? , German League , Bayen M and Dortmond , Italy is Juve and who , at least the Premire league has Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool , Man City , Man Utd , with spurs & Everton close by , its by far more interesting ...............................
 

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Its like the spainish league , Barcelona or Real Madrid , Scotland its Rangers or Celtic , now its just celtic , Dutch League , Ajax ,and ? , German League , Bayen M and Dortmond , Italy is Juve and who , at least the Premire league has Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool , Man City , Man Utd , with spurs & Everton close by , its by far more interesting ...............................

The Rangers fan I know already looking forward to European footie next season after they winvthe Scottish Cup this coming season - and next season - battling with Celtic for Scottish football top dog. Ach well - it's been good whilst they've been away
 

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Its like the spainish league , Barcelona or Real Madrid , Scotland its Rangers or Celtic , now its just celtic , Dutch League , Ajax ,and ? , German League , Bayen M and Dortmond , Italy is Juve and who , at least the Premire league has Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool , Man City , Man Utd , with spurs & Everton close by , its by far more interesting ...............................

Hmm... and which of these are the current Spanish champions?
 

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Well the 2014 Scottish Cup Winners (that's for DfT :)) are in Lucerne for this evenings Europa League qualifying round - against FC Luzerne as you might guess. Come of Saints :) Back to McDiarmid with a win would be nice. A few good results and we might find ourselves in a group with an English club - then we'll see...
 
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