Rule 14-2b Assistance!

[delc]

To clarify a point raised earlier on in this thread re. relief from ground under repair, my new club also has a local rule prohibiting play from GUR. It reads:

"GROUND UNDER REPAIR - play prohibited (Rule 25-1)
All areas encircled by a white line. A ball lying therein MUST be lifted, without penalty, or if the stance or area of intended swing is interfered with, the player MUST take relief in accordance with Rule 25-1."

Therefore the two clubs I have been a member of for the last 27 years both had the same local rule, which is probably why I understood that you always had to to take relief from GUR. At least I will now know to check the local rules when I play elsewhere to check for this point.

 

[Crow]

The actual act of a caddy helping helping a player line up a putt or even drive or iron shot is done by a very minimal of people and mainly on the LPGA where a couple of the Asian ladies ( miyamato is one ) have their caddies help them. But that's it - it's not an epidemic spreading through the game ripping it apart - it doesn't effect the amateur game - hell it doesn't seem to effect the pro game to any significance.

Wasn't a similar viewpoint taken over anchored long putters a while ago?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And my viewpoint is the same with them - zero problems with people using them

If they were that good everyone would use them

3 people win a major in a 3 year period and people get their knickers in a twist - nobody cared about them for the decades before

 

[Imurg]

And my viewpoint is the same with them - zero problems with people using them

If they were that good everyone would use them

3 people win a major in a 3 year period and people get their knickers in a twist - nobody cared about them for the decades before

Nobody....?

 

[Crow]

And my viewpoint is the same with them - zero problems with people using them

If they were that good everyone would use them

3 people win a major in a 3 year period and people get their knickers in a twist - nobody cared about them for the decades before

With every respect I wasn't interested in your viewpoint, more where we could end up in a few years time if players start to take this up on a wider scale and the stink that would be caused when the governing bodies decide to do something "after the horse has bolted", or whatever the expression was around the anchored putter debate.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

With every respect I wasn't interested in your viewpoint, more where we could end up in a few years time if players start to take this up on a wider scale and the stink that would be caused when the governing bodies decide to do something "after the horse has bolted", or whatever the expression was around the anchored putter debate.

How many in men's game do we actually see doing it ? I can't think of any men - only a few ladies and again I can't see what the problem is

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nobody....?

I can't recall much mumbling in the main stream compared to the last three years. We since Simpson won the US Open

 

[Imurg]

You also can't see what the problem COULD be...?
That's what Crow is saying.
What if, in 10 years time, the majority are doing this...?

I still maintain that if you, as a Pro, need help lining yourself up then you're a poor Pro.

 

[Robobum]

How many in men's game do we actually see doing it ? I can't think of any men - only a few ladies and again I can't see what the problem is

Kevin Na
James Driscoll
Robert Rock
Just a few from top of my head

 

[Crow]

You also can't see what the problem COULD be...?
That's what Crow is saying.
What if, in 10 years time, the majority are doing this...?

I still maintain that if you, as a Pro, need help lining yourself up then you're a poor Pro.

Spot on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You also can't see what the problem COULD be...?
That's what Crow is saying.
What if, in 10 years time, the majority are doing this...?

I still maintain that if you, as a Pro, need help lining yourself up then you're a poor Pro.

So we need to look at every rule to see what could possibly happen in the next ten years when we have hardly ( if ever in the men's game ) not seen it for the past 100 years ?

Sorry but don't deal in what ifs.

And as for a poor pro - possibly it does mean that - but they still need to swing and hit the ball.

Do we stop caddy a giving advice on everything ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Kevin Na
James Driscoll
Robert Rock
Just a few from top of my head

Robert Rock didnt at the Welsh Open - followed him during the Sunday with My Dad. They took a while over the line but lined himself up that day.

 

[delc]

With every respect I wasn't interested in your viewpoint, more where we could end up in a few years time if players start to take this up on a wider scale and the stink that would be caused when the governing bodies decide to do something "after the horse has bolted", or whatever the expression was around the anchored putter debate.

Long and anchored putters should have been banned at the outset IMO, but they weren't. Therefore some players have used them for years, and feel aggrieved that their crutches are being kicked away. If certain players hadn't won majors using them, there probably wouldn't have been a proposal to ban them! I am personally in favour of the ban, because belly putting in particular just looks awful. rather like caddies lining up their players. However I'm less fussed about broom-handle putters, because having used one for a short period, I know that they are not that easy to use, especially in windy conditions, and they are a life line for older players who have developed the yips.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Shall we run a sweepstake to see which rule is next for the "Del" treatment? :thup:

 

[Imurg]

So we need to look at every rule to see what could possibly happen in the next ten years when we have hardly ( if ever in the men's game ) not seen it for the past 100 years ?

Sorry but don't deal in what ifs.
?

Well that's exactly what the R&A and the USGA did do with regard to anchoring.
They decided that, in 10 years time, they didn't want the majority using Belly or Broom putters.
This will get looked at, even if it's only a cursory glance, because I doubt the R&A or the USGA want the majority of Caddies lining up their players....something that could happen in the same way Belly putters were an anomaly for a while but quickly started to run riot.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well that's exactly what the R&A and the USGA did do with regard to anchoring.
They decided that, in 10 years time, they didn't want the majority using Belly or Broom putters.
This will get looked at, even if it's only a cursory glance, because I doubt the R&A or the USGA want the majority of Caddies lining up their players....something that could happen in the same way Belly putters were an anomaly for a while but quickly started to run riot.

So where will it stop though ?

Can the caddy read the line for him , the wind, club selection ? It's all things that help the pro just like alignment ?

 

[Fish]

Shall we run a sweepstake to see which rule is next for the "Del" treatment? :thup:

Evens-Bigger Holes
13/8-Abnormal Ground Conditions
11/8-Anchoring
7/4-Yips

:smirk:

 

[rickg]

I am personally in favour of the ban, because belly putting in particular just looks awful.

In my opinion, the claw grip is the ugliest thing I have ever witnessed in golf.....I think this should be banned. It makes my eyeballs bleed.
I'm going to start a campaign to to change the rules to ban the claw grip.

 

[Imurg]

The role of the Caddy has developed over time.
To began with they were, literally, club carriers
Then they started to help their Clients with yardages, lines and club selections
For a long, long time they have been reading greens too...
Some have only recently begun to line up their player
What if they don't stop developing? What if their influence increases?
Will the Caddy start marking the ball on the green?
Will the Caddy start to hit putts?
Will the Caddy start to hit other shots, give the interview at the end of the round, sign the card....?
Where does that stop?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The role of the Caddy has developed over time.
To began with they were, literally, club carriers
Then they started to help their Clients with yardages, lines and club selections
For a long, long time they have been reading greens too...
Some have only recently begun to line up their player
What if they don't stop developing? What if their influence increases?
Will the Caddy start marking the ball on the green?
Will the Caddy start to hit putts?
Will the Caddy start to hit other shots, give the interview at the end of the round, sign the card....?
Where does that stop?

Where do you stop ?

Do you only allow them to just carry clubs and that's it and let the pro do everything else ?

What is the difference between helping his club selection or reading greens and with helping his putting alignment ?