Rule 14-2b Assistance!

[delc]

Just thought I'd quote the OP again as I think the key is in the first 2 sentences.

"Just wondering what the point of Rule 14-2b is, when caddies can line up their players and then move away just before they start their swing? Why is it not assistance when players are lining up, but becomes assistance when they make their swings?"


That for me is the issue. What is the restriction in Rule 14-2b on making a stroke while your caddy or PP is standing behind you trying to stop?

It doesn't doesn't stop a caddy or partner lining up the player as that happens before the stroke. So if the intent is to stop that, then it seems to it would be better if the Rule did say that this shouldn't happen once a player has taken his stance.

Decision 14-2/1 Player Aligns Partner's Club Before Stroke confirms that the Rule doesn't apply prior to making a stroke so clearly there is some reason why the Rules guys think that makes all the difference but I can't really see that.

Would be interested in shedding some light on what the intent of the Rule is? If it is to prevent caddies or partners lining a player up, it seems to me it doesn't really achieve that.

I suppose it's to stop caddies coaching their players, and probably why some amateur tournaments have a ban on professional golfers acting as caddies. Nevertheless helping with alignment is still coaching in my eyes. The rule should be changed so that assistance starts when the player takes his stance.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Why allow distance and club selection but not reading greens ?

Distance information isn't advice and is available to everyone by a number of means. Reading greens is a skill and if you can't do it you should practice and learn, not have someone do it for you. That should be banned long before lining up on the fairway IMHO.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I blame Steve Williams.
Everything is his fault

Evil evil man

 

[North Mimms]

They must have a very 'special' set of seniors at that club, because I haven't seen a single player here that use the claw .... so maybe they all moved to Batchworth Park.

Maybe that club has developed 20 to 25 players with the yips since 2010 after listening to delc talk and talk about the yips....

 

[bobmac]

and probably why some amateur tournaments have a ban on professional golfers acting as caddies.

Really?

Professionals are NEVER allowed to caddie for amateurs

 

[delc]

Really?

Professionals are NEVER allowed to caddie for amateurs

Think that's the case for the British and English Amateur Championships, or at least used to be.

 

[bobmac]

Professionals are NEVER allowed to caddie for amateurs

 

[delc]

Maybe that club has developed 20 to 25 players with the yips since 2010 after listening to delc talk and talk about the yips....

The claw grip is a good way of putting, even if you haven't got the yips!

BTW, Would rickg also like to ban left hand below right grips (for right handed players), as that is another possible cure for the yips?

 

[North Mimms]

The claw grip is a good way of putting, even if you haven't got the yips!

BTW, Would rickg also like to ban left hand below right grips (for right handed players), as that is another possible cure for the yips?

I'd like to ban talking about the yips

 

[bobmac]

I'd like to ban talking about the yips

 

[DCB]

Surely the yips is caused because the players bottle has gone when they realise the hole is too small

 

[One Planer]

Surely the yips is caused because the players bottle has gone when they realise the hole is too small

Very cruel David.













...... Also very true

 

[USER1999]

I know quite a few guys who use the claw, and a few with long putters too. One of them playing off scratch or better for many years.

I don't like long putters, but am not concerned with ugly putting grips, well, apart from those made of pipe lagging.

 

[delc]

:mmm: Can we get back on topic before the moderators shut this thread down?

 

[USER1999]

How long before the player is effectively a robot operated by the caddy?

 

[One Planer]

How long before the player is effectively a robot operated by the caddy?

They are already aren't they :mmm:

Caddy gives them the yardage.

Wind direcion.

Where best to play.

What kind of shot to play.

Then the player steps up and hit it. Short of hitting the ball himself, there's not much more a caddie can do

 

[delc]

They are already aren't they :mmm:

Caddy gives them the yardage.

Wind direcion.

Where best to play.

What kind of shot to play.

Then the player steps up and hit it. Short of hitting the ball himself, there's not much more a caddie can do

Caddies are supposed to be players assistants or aides, not their managers!

 

[bobmac]

So the OP question is
Why is a caddy allowed to stand behind a player and help him/her with their alignment but they are not allowed to stay there during the swing?

I'm only guessing here but...
While teaching golf, the pro spends a lot of time standing behind the player, checking for errors.
Perhaps the caddy could do the same when standing behind the player while he/she swung and would then be deemed as coaching

 

[One Planer]

Caddies are supposed to be players assistants or aides, not their managers!

So why don't the players carrying their own clubs? Do their own yardages? Map their own greens?

 

[delc]

So the OP question is
Why is a caddy allowed to stand behind a player and help him/her with their alignment but they are not allowed to stay there during the swing?

I'm only guessing here but...
While teaching golf, the pro spends a lot of time standing behind the player, checking for errors.
Perhaps the caddy could do the same when standing behind the player while he/she swung and would then be deemed as coaching

This point has already been made in this thread. I think that checking alignment is also coaching and should be stopped.