Relationship between PAR SSS and CSS

[Val]

Am I right in saying in an open competition there can be a visitors CSSS and a members CSSS ?

Standard practice pal

 

[Foxholer]

Not exactly, you will never see CSS = to SSS +4. You will either see it as CSS = +3 (RO) or simply reductions only.

CSS can officially be -1, 0, +1, +2 ,+3 or +3(RO). I have only ever seen it written as simply RO without the +3 in front.

It depends on the final percentage as to whether +3 becomes +3 (RO).

Confused?

Also not exactly. The CSS is shown with (or maybe without) R/O.

Here's an example - the first that sprang to mind http://www.southeastofenglandlinks.co.uk/csscalc.php?compid=3032

Here's the second day - slightly less 'breezy'! http://www.southeastofenglandlinks.co.uk/csscalc.php?compid=3033

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Simples guide

Course No1 is 18 holes all 245 yards = par 54
Course No2 is 18 holes all 250 yards = par 72 [I know not always the case just being simple]

SSS of both the courses would be not much different. [at a guess between 63 and 66]

CSS come into play for each qualifing competition.
eg. Par 72 course of 6,900 yards played in a gale may go out to CSS 78.
So you could be +6 on your handicap and not get a handicap increase.
The reverse can also happen when the course is playing easy and many members come in under par.

 

[Foxholer]

CSS come into play for each qualifing competition.
eg. Par 72 course of 6,900 yards played in a gale may go out to CSS 78.
So you could be +6 on your handicap and not get a handicap increase.
The reverse can also happen when the course is playing easy and many members come in under par.

Another CSS Myth! As is the one where the guy scoring 8 below CSS affects it more!

CSS is calculated from the percentge of players in buffer (or better). So it can go down (and I've seen it do so) even if no-one scores better than nett par.

 

[DannyOT]

Before I joined here and learnt about SSS and CSS, I thought that I would forever be a crap golfer. This was because my local course is a short 18 holer at around 3500yds and a par of 55. I was constantly shooting around 80 even as I improved and thought that I was miles off pace, however it turns out that the SSS of the same course is 67 which seems far more reasonable as I've never known anyone to shoot under 65 round it.

 

[JezzE]

Before I joined here and learnt about SSS and CSS, I thought that I would forever be a crap golfer. This was because my local course is a short 18 holer at around 3500yds and a par of 55. I was constantly shooting around 80 even as I improved and thought that I was miles off pace, however it turns out that the SSS of the same course is 67 which seems far more reasonable as I've never known anyone to shoot under 65 round it.

SSS 67 and par 55? Sounds very unlikely - sure it's not the other way round? I used to work at a short 9-holer that was about 4,500 yards for 18 - par was 66 but SSS was 60 and CSS invariably came down to 59...

 

[rosecott]

SSS 67 and par 55? Sounds very unlikely - sure it's not the other way round? I used to work at a short 9-holer that was about 4,500 yards for 18 - par was 66 but SSS was 60 and CSS invariably came down to 59...

With a little bit of detective work, I suspect the course is Castle Hawk - but the answers were far from simple:

England Golf lists it as 3276 yards, Par 55, SSS 55

The Castle Hawk website details are:

Tom Wilson 9-hole course, 5340 yards, Par 70, no SSS quoted
Sue Wilson 18-hole Par 3 course, 3208 yards, Par 54, no SSS quoted.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Also not exactly. The CSS is shown with (or maybe without) R/O.

Here's an example - the first that sprang to mind http://www.southeastofenglandlinks.co.uk/csscalc.php?compid=3032

Here's the second day - slightly less 'breezy'! http://www.southeastofenglandlinks.co.uk/csscalc.php?compid=3033

On HDID it only says Reductions only but if you have the full CSS calc then yes I agree it would always show