Relationship between PAR SSS and CSS

[Farneyman]

Looking for clarification on the SSS part. I understand PAR and CSS but not SSS and how it effects handicaps.

Example course, PAR 71, SSS 72, in this case what would the CSS based on, PAR of 71 or 72?

Hope that makes sense.

 

[harpo_72]

The CSS moves based on results of the competition and that is the difference between the SSS and CSS. The differences between par and SSS, I dunno if its a statistical thing or what is quite normal in golf and pulled out the comp sec's backside.

 

[fundy]

Par is just a nominal figure really, based on each holes length and then added up. SSS is the expected score over 18 holes, CSS is the adjustment of SSS based on the competitions scores

 

[HawkeyeMS]

The CSS moves based on results of the competition and that is the difference between the SSS and CSS. The differences between par and SSS, I dunno if its a statistical thing or what is quite normal in golf and pulled out the comp sec's backside.

Some info about SSS, http://www.englandgolf.org/documents/Guide_to_SSS.pdf

 

[Farneyman]

But for the CSS to go up by 3 or down by 1 what would they use as the starting par, the par 71 or the SSS 72 in the example I gave.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

But for the CSS to go up by 3 or down by 1 what would they use as the starting par, the par 71 or the SSS 72 in the example I gave.

SSS is used.

 

[duncan mackie]

what Fundy says - but think of CSS as SSS on a competition day (where it can be fine tuned) and you will have it.

let's not get into the question/issue of whether the process works.....please.

 

[duncan mackie]

But for the CSS to go up by 3 or down by 1 what would they use as the starting par, the par 71 or the SSS 72 in the example I gave.

par is irrelevant to handicapping - competely irrelevant......

 

[HawkeyeMS]

what Fundy says - but think of CSS as SSS on a competition day (where it can be fine tuned) and you will have it.

let's not get into the question/issue of whether the process works.....please.

Notice how I bit my tongue on that one?

 

[Farneyman]

SSS is used.

So for my example of a course with par of 71 SSS 72 and depending on exact CSS the buffer will the be, for me off 14, 71-75?

So my score today of 89-14 for a Nett 75 will make buffer?

Have I got that correct?

 

[Val]

If CSS is 72 or more which it probably will be then you're in the buffer

 

[pbrown7582]

So for my example of a course with par of 71 SSS 72 and depending on exact CSS the buffer will the be, for me off 14, 71-75?

So my score today of 89-14 for a Nett 75 will make buffer?

Have I got that correct?

If CSS doesnt go down 1 yes, at your course with SSS at 72 buffer for you could be 74 (CSS is -1) or up to (78 if CSS is +3)

 

[Foxholer]

Par is indeed irrelevant to handicaps - save providing the ability to calculate the Stableford points.

SSS is a Rating value based primarily on length.

CSS is calculated for each competition and is an adjusted SSS based on the results from the day. It may decrease by 1 or increase by up to 3 (after which the comp becomes 'Reduction Only'). Your buffer therefore is you Category - 3 in your case. Any difference from SSS to CSS is based on what percentage (including NRs and DQs) who scored within their Buffer of SSS.

Using your Par 71:SSS 72, to be sure of being at least in your buffer, you would need to score 33 Stableford points. I convert to Stableford, as the handicap system has a 'Stableford Adjustment' that reduces high scores to a nett Double Bogey, which equals zero Stableford points. Your actual Nett score (say 75) is pretty much irrelevant if you have some holes with big numbers. On another day (when the CSS goes to 75), that 33 points might earn you a 0.3 cut. Likewise, to be certain of getting a cut, you would need to score 37 points as on that day, the CSS might reduce to 71. The amount of the cut depends on the CSS.

 

[Val]

So let me get this correct for clarity, Par 72, SSS, 74. If CSS goes to 77 then it's reduction only automatically?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

So let me get this correct for clarity, Par 72, SSS, 74. If CSS goes to 77 then it's reduction only automatically?

No, it can go to 77 without being reductions only. If it calculates higher than +3 it will be reductions only (I think)

 

[Val]

No, it can go to 77 without being reductions only. If it calculates higher than +3 it will be reductions only (I think)

Ok so CSS 4 above SSS for reductions only

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Ok so CSS 4 above SSS for reductions only

Not exactly, you will never see CSS = to SSS +4. You will either see it as CSS = +3 (RO) or simply reductions only.

CSS can officially be -1, 0, +1, +2 ,+3 or +3(RO). I have only ever seen it written as simply RO without the +3 in front.

It depends on the final percentage as to whether +3 becomes +3 (RO).

Confused?

 

[Val]

Not exactly, you will never see CSS = to SSS +4. You will either see it as CSS = +3 (RO) or simply reductions only.

CSS can officially be -1, 0, +1, +2 ,+3 or +3(RO). I have only ever seen it written as simply RO without the +3 in front.

It depends on the final percentage as to whether +3 becomes +3 (RO).

Confused?

Im with you, so max +3 the 3 with reductions only.

Well I hope Barassie after yesterday becomes +3 with RO

 

[AMcC]

Am I right in saying in an open competition there can be a visitors CSSS and a members CSSS ?

 

[Foxholer]

Am I right in saying in an open competition there can be a visitors CSSS and a members CSSS ?

Yes - if 20+ of each