Doon frae Troon
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Trouble is Phil to quite a few Rangers supporters it is not a sport.
What is this Rangers International FC I see, not spotted that before.
Is it what Sevco/The Rangers have now morphed into?
Rangers in Trouble Again
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Trouble is Phil to quite a few Rangers supporters it is not a sport.
What is this Rangers International FC I see, not spotted that before.
Is it what Sevco/The Rangers have now morphed into?
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Its just words at the end of the day - just words - sport thrives on rivalries
The OlD Firm Derby has been a historic part of the global football for over a hundred years - to see that never ben played again is very sad
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From what i have read in various places thats not just applicable to Rangers fans
Val
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It wasn't words though, he carried it on hence his purchase of Tore Andre Flo for £11m when Celtic paid £6m for Lennon, Hartson and Sutton, all who had a far greater impact the TAF
And I agree no OF derby is a sad day
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Is that really enough reason for wanting a club to disappear all together ? To celebrate them never playing again ?
Val
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To some fans yes.
I think you miss the point, they spent money they couldn't afford to try and stay ahead of Celtic and it put them into severe financial trouble hence the administration and liquidation, that is what there is a smugness from a lot of Celtic fans.
I suppose its a case of you reap what you sow and deserve the outcome.
Your example is different, none of the clubs you mention are in financial trouble, debt maybe but not trouble.
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Yes i see what they have done and they have made a mess of their club and certainy dont deserve any sympathy and being in the lower divisions is no doubt what they deserve. And if Man Utd etc did struggle on the pitch etc they i would be delighted but goi9ng out of business all together - nah i wouldnt ever want to see any club going out of business
Its a shame to see some fans wanting and celebrating the fact that could happen to Rangers
They are a historic club in world football and we shouldnt want to see clubs like that go
Val
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They are hated by many sections of Scottish football for what they have done to our game up here, driven by the greed and ego of their former chairman.
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Genuine question - what are they getting the blame for ?
Val
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I would rather someone else answer this too who isn't a Celtic fan but I will add my tuppence.
Since the mid 80's when Rangers began to sign the best players in the UK (England's back 4 almost) there has been more money spent and cheap imports brought into the Scottish game to try and keep up with Rangers. Rangers won 9 league titles in a row when Celtic had no money and owners who were bleeding the club dry, Aberdeen spent big to try and keep pace too with them still being the only other club in Scotland to pay over £1m for a player and that was back in the late 90's.
Rightly or wrongly Rangers spent big and the only way clubs could keep up was to try and follow suit and now we are in the situation we are now with Rangers making their way back up the leagues after being re-formed after liquidation, Dundee have had 2 administrations, Airdrie went and disappeared, Hearts in administration, Motherwell in administration and lets not forget Celtic being brought back from the brink of administration when Fergus McCann took over. IMO this all started when clubs tried to keep up with Rangers spending.
There is also this better than everyone attitude from an element of Rangers support who despise everything about Scottish football other than Rangers, a no one likes us we don't care attitude, a we are Rangers we'll do what we want attitude. Now this is not aimed at all Rangers fans as there are a number of them who I genuinely feel for, they have been turned over by those running the team they support.
Just my tuppence, quite frankly I couldn't care what happens to any club in Scotland now, the game is ruined up here and I only follow the results when I have a coupon on. Of course I still want Celtic to win everything as that never leaves you but it wouldn't bother me if I never went to another Celtic game again.
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Cheers for that Val and can certainly remember the Souness years then the Smith years when it was just Rangers year in year out and they certainly bought a lot of players.
I guess the lack of telly money hasnt helped as well
The best thing IMO for Scottish football would be both he Glasgow teams battling for the title and also a few others getting into the mix to ensure its not a walkover year in year out. Regardless of the ability of the players - a tight title race can be sold - Sky have just bought the rights to the Dutch league - the quality isnt up there with the best but its a title race that will no be over on day one.
Its why i believe that Celtic need Rangers in the top league and challenging them - i know thats not an opinion shared by many - but Rangers going out of business does Scottish football no favours at all.
Val
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Can't say I disagree, I believe long term Rangers starting from the bottom benefits every team in Scotland except Celtic but Celtic will survive until they make it back to the top table whenever that may be.
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Yep gotta agree with that - other teams build up to challenge Celtic and then Rangers get there and challenge as well and then a product appears to sell to Sky etc.
Val
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Also smaller clubs in the lower leagues get a bump in attendance as Rangers come to town twice a season.
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Yeah thats a very good point as well - has that happened then ?
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An extremely fair summary imo!
I'm not entirely sure Rangers can be held responsible for the death/administration of the other clubs - it was their decision to chase Rangers - but certainly have little sympathy for Rangers in their current plight!
It's where I believe Wenger has been fabulous for Arsenal - producing a competitive team with sensible financial constraints - where others have not been very good - 'Arry for example. That's why I believe an Ashley type approach - as he appears to have done at Newcastle to the occasional uproar from fans - would work. If the current directors really cared for the club, I believe they should bite the likes of Ashley's or King's hands off for them to take over. I think it's just their own greed and the knowledge that they would be out the door fast that is stopping them - while they have got Rangers back near he top, their contribution to the health of 'the Club' hasn't really warranted their retention imo. It's just a case of finding the right 'deal', otherwise another admin period - and return to the bottom league - will be the result!
Doon frae Troon
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Another good post from Val.
I would add my tuppence worth and include the decisions made to exclude clubs from the first tier unless their grounds were a minimum 10,000 all seater stadium. This reform seemed to be very much Old Firm driven with the SFA and Leagues more or less their puppets.
Ambitious second tier clubs conformed to this and put themselves in serious debt. Morton, Falkirk, Hamilton, Raith and a few others were lost for about 10 years.
If I remember correctly Falkirk twice Qualified for the 1st tier but were not admitted due to the ground requirements.
6,000+ at Stair Park and 16,000+ at Tynecastle shows that we do not need the Old Firm to attract decent crowds.
I would add my tuppence worth and include the decisions made to exclude clubs from the first tier unless their grounds were a minimum 10,000 all seater stadium. This reform seemed to be very much Old Firm driven with the SFA and Leagues more or less their puppets.
Ambitious second tier clubs conformed to this and put themselves in serious debt. Morton, Falkirk, Hamilton, Raith and a few others were lost for about 10 years.
If I remember correctly Falkirk twice Qualified for the 1st tier but were not admitted due to the ground requirements.
6,000+ at Stair Park and 16,000+ at Tynecastle shows that we do not need the Old Firm to attract decent crowds.
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Val makes a good point about clubs trying to catch up with Rangers, trouble was they (like golfers) thought they could buy a better team with not a lot of cash but it was more than they had.
There are other ways they should have done it imo, starting at grass roots and identifying, nurturing and training youngsters. It would have taken them longer but they would probably still be in existence.
I also gave up on Scottish football many years ago, I find it sad and depressing now when it used to be exciting and full of hope.
There are other ways they should have done it imo, starting at grass roots and identifying, nurturing and training youngsters. It would have taken them longer but they would probably still be in existence.
I also gave up on Scottish football many years ago, I find it sad and depressing now when it used to be exciting and full of hope.
Doon frae Troon
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yes and no!
I think the last couple of years has proven that Scotland would do very nicely thank you without the old Old Firm.
I feel genuinely sorry for the genuine Rangers fans and no sympathy at all to those who only support them because of the historical baggage they drag around with them.
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In what way has it proven that ?
