Random Irritations

[PaulMdj]

Did you see him kick him in the head ? I did !

No more facts are needed.

So you’re more qualified than the CPS Lawyers? Who have seen all the evidence, all the videos!

 

[clubchamp98]

Who are “they”?

Law breakers who fight with the police.

 

[clubchamp98]

So you’re more qualified than the CPS Lawyers? Who have seen all the evidence, all the videos!

Are you saying “ it didn’t happen”?

He kicked him in the head! That’s a fact.
I thought that was against the law even for police officers.

 

[PaulMdj]

I get all that Tash but dosnt excuse it imo.

Cops have a tough job but part of the disrespect comes from things like this.
The fact he hasn’t been charged yet fuels it.
They don’t trust the police .

Maybe they shouldn’t of attacked the bloke who insulted their mam or the 2 female Coppers who needed medical assistance.

If he thought his colleagues were taken out and it was him v them 2 until back up arrived then, imo, he’s used reasonable force to dominate and control them.

If the IPOC decide to take disciplinary action against him I will also respect their investigation.

But the GREAT news is that he won’t face criminal charges.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Maybe those in the know realised that a kick in the head was the right thing to do under the circumstances at the time.

That’s a heck of a statement to make - he is still under investigation right now

not sure if there are many situations where kicking someone in the head whilst on the ground is the right thing to do

But it will come out in the wash and any justification best be very water tight

 

[clubchamp98]

Maybe they shouldn’t of attacked the bloke who insulted their mam or the 2 female Coppers who needed medical assistance.

If he thought his colleagues were taken out and it was him v them 2 until back up arrived then, imo, he’s used reasonable force to dominate and control them.

If the IPOC decide to take disciplinary action against him I will also respect their investigation.

But the GREAT news is that he won’t face criminal charges.

I’m not disputing the scumbag got what was coming to him.

But kicking someone in the head isn’t lawful.

 

[PJ87]

Are you saying “ it didn’t happen”?

He kicked him in the head! That’s a fact.
I thought that was against the law even for police officers.

Not the best example but police , fire etc can break the law for speed limits when needed. The armed forces can use lethal force when authorised. Those are laws broken

Surely it's up to those in charge to decide if they are in the wrong

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Magdeburg market attack: At least one dead and dozens injured after car driven into crowd at German Christmas market, reports say

Reports suggest the driver has been arrested and 60 to 80 people have been injured, according to German public broadcaster MDR.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[clubchamp98]

Not the best example but police , fire etc can break the law for speed limits when needed. The armed forces can use lethal force when authorised. Those are laws broken

Surely it's up to those in charge to decide if they are in the wrong

Yes agreed,
But kicking someone on the ground in the head is not going to heal the rift between public and the police.
I’d say 99% of us think he got what he deserved.
But that dosnt make it right.

 

[PaulMdj]

That’s a heck of a statement to make - he is still under investigation right now

not sure if there are many situations where kicking someone in the head whilst on the ground is the right thing to do

But it will come out in the wash and any justification best be very water tight

Serious question! Did you actually read the article you linked?

This was in it:

“The CPS said it had "concluded no charges should be brought against any officers" after examining evidence, reviewing "expert opinion" and taking into account police training.”

So obviously this was a situation where kicking someone in the head whilst on the ground was the right thing to do

And what else is left to come out in the wash? Or are you saying the GMP didn’t give all the evidence to the CPS.

The only thing left is the IPOC investigation and that is disciplinary.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Serious question! Did you actually read the article you linked?

This was in it:

“The CPS said it had "concluded no charges should be brought against any officers" after examining evidence, reviewing "expert opinion" and taking into account police training.”

So obviously this was a situation where kicking someone in the head whilst on the ground was the right thing to do

And what else is left to come out in the wash? Or are you saying the GMP didn’t give all the evidence to the CPS.

The only thing left is the IPOC investigation and that is disciplinary.

Yes I read the article and he is still under investigation

As i said once that’s done and if nothing happens to him then I hope the justification for his actions is water tight

Someone not getting “charged” doesn’t automatically mean it was the right thing to do

It just means they haven’t got enough evidence to charge him in a court that would mean they would get a guilty verdict

There have been many examples of wrong doing by police and many other authorities and they haven’t been charged - doesn’t mean their actions are without reproach

The two guys were rightly charged and hopefully the book is thrown at them

 

[PaulMdj]

Yes I read the article and he is still under investigation

As i said once that’s done and if nothing happens to him then I hope the justification for his actions is water tight

Someone not getting “charged” doesn’t automatically mean it was the right thing to do

It just means they haven’t got enough evidence to charge him in a court that would mean they would get a guilty verdict

Big difference between criminal charges and an internal investigation.

 

[AmandaJR]

I don't think it's been mentioned on the forum, which kind of surprises me, but anyway I'll add Dominique Pelicot to a more than random irritation. I'd not complain if he received a kick to the head as the bare minimum.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I don't think it's been mentioned on the forum, which kind of surprises me, but anyway I'll add Dominique Pelicot to a more than random irritation. I'd not complain if he received a kick to the head as the bare minimum.

It’s just horrific to read about

His wife has shown amazing courage and strength throughout the whole ordeal

Suspect he will be kept apart from a long time

Him and the 50 other scumbags

 

[AmandaJR]

It’s just horrific to read about

His wife has shown amazing courage and strength throughout the whole ordeal

Suspect he will be kept apart from a long time

Him and the 50 other scumbags

Agreed. It's scary he found those willing to participate so flipping easy. France seems to have a weird take on what constitutes rape and how victims are treated. Hopefully this case will see something shift.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't think it's been mentioned on the forum, which kind of surprises me, but anyway I'll add Dominique Pelicot to a more than random irritation. I'd not complain if he received a kick to the head as the bare minimum.

I think the story is so staggering that it's hard to take in. It's more than this thread can manage, it's bigger than an irritation.

The remarkable thing is a) how many are going to appeal b) that the sentences are not longer.

I suspect France needs to look internally at itself and re evaluate it's attitude towards women (and no, I'm not taking a superior attitude on this as a Brit as we have our own problems on that front)

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Agreed. It's scary he found those willing to participate so flipping easy. France seems to have a weird take on what constitutes rape and how victims are treated. Hopefully this case will see something shift.

Hopefully her removing her own right to anonymity will help bring it more to light over there

Seems the trial is raising concerns about consent laws in France as well

 

[Tashyboy]

Like I say, some folk do not respect the police. And expect respect in return

Warrington man abandons haircut to help officer under attack

Kyle Whiting ran to a police officer's aid with the barber's cape still draped over his shoulders.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Tashyboy]

I get all that Tash but dosnt excuse it imo.

Cops have a tough job but part of the disrespect comes from things like this.
The fact he hasn’t been charged yet fuels it.
They don’t trust the police .

I think the thing with this was the two guys escalated the situation through violence to another level. Once the police got the
“ victim” on the floor, they showed him they were not messing around. Whether current investigations deem it excessive only time will tell.
What I am looking forward to is finding out what started this all off.

 

[rudebhoy]

Serious question! Did you actually read the article you linked?

This was in it:

“The CPS said it had "concluded no charges should be brought against any officers" after examining evidence, reviewing "expert opinion" and taking into account police training.”

So obviously this was a situation where kicking someone in the head whilst on the ground was the right thing to do

And what else is left to come out in the wash? Or are you saying the GMP didn’t give all the evidence to the CPS.

The only thing left is the IPOC investigation and that is disciplinary.

Unless the guy on the ground has a gun, I can't think of any circumstances where kicking him in the head is the right thing to do.