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I think there's a difference between renewable and green.
While trees are renewable as they can plant more trees, you still have to burn them therefor producing CO2 so not green.
It is classed as renewable by some because trees can be replanted.
The grid is made from fossil fuels, renewable and ''others''
Burning pellets would come into the ''others'' group under biomass so not strictly green.
But does everyone understand this? People will think they are doing the right thing by getting a supplier that claimed they are green by using renewable sources but in fact they are polluting worse than if they got the power from coal. All smoke and mirrors (pun intended ?)
 
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Yesterday, the average demand on the national grid was 22.3 GW

The breakdown is as follows
Fossil fuels 26.2%
Nuclear/biomass 27.7%
Renewable energy 33.9%

For those interested, I just found this live update website....
https://grid.iamkate.com/ :)

The weekly , monthly and yearly stats show how very reliant the whole country still is on fossil fuels - and then of course the electric pipe from France and where that energy comes from.
 

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Isn't it that it is CO2 neutral? The amount of CO2 released when the wood is burnt is the same as the amount of CO2 absorbed by the tree while it was growing. Therefore it is nett zero in terms of CO2 emissions.


Over what time scale. And are all the trees being used for pellets being replanted? Also how do the pellets get here from Texas?

But does everyone understand this? People will think they are doing the right thing by getting a supplier that claimed they are green by using renewable sources but in fact they are polluting worse than if they got the power from coal. All smoke and mirrors (pun intended ?)

Hopefully people will learn that all claims aren't always true.

The weekly , monthly and yearly stats show how very reliant the whole country still is on fossil fuels - and then of course the electric pipe from France and where that energy comes from.

Do you not think the overall picture is changing for the better?
 
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Over what time scale. And are all the trees being used for pellets being replanted? Also how do the pellets get here from Texas?



Hopefully people will learn that all claims aren't always true.



Do you not think the overall picture is changing for the better?

Depends on how much of it is false positives.

Using renewable energy is always good but I always think the full picture is never given.

Cost , the damage to environmental for the renewable sources ,

I hope it’s more than people just getting a fluffy feeling and being more interested in tax refunds etc they get
 

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Almost being taken out by an old woman in a car on my way back from a bike ride yesterday... I was on the cycle path/pavement. She then almost hit a car on the other side of the road and then stalled it. I and the driver of the car she almost hit and i watched in disbelief as she drove away mounting the pavement again..then almost hitting another car coming the other way as she again drifted onto the other side of the road.

Don't think she should be behind a wheel.
 

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The weekly , monthly and yearly stats show how very reliant the whole country still is on fossil fuels - and then of course the electric pipe from France and where that energy comes from.

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...r-homes-in-great-britain-via-724km-cable/amp/

Or the new cable from Norway that's been completed that is pure green energy .. we supply them with wind power they supply us with hydro power ..

France cable will be back by march .. add that to this think future not present.
 

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Depends on how much of it is false positives.

If you mean negatives, can you give us a few examples of how renewable energy is bad for the environment please?

Do they need to be dug out of the ground?
Are they extremely dangerous and flamable?
Are they shipped around the world in giant tankers that leak occasionally causing decades worth of damage to the aforementioned environment ?
Are they going to last for ever?
Will the financial cost increase as they become more scarce and harder to get?
Do they pollute the air your children will breathe?
Will they affect the climate?
Will they cause wars over ownership?
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Are renewables the cheapest, cleanest and most sustainable energy in history that won't poison the planet or your children, and that help countries to work together as Paul's link showed...

“We’ve got the best wind resource, southern Europe has the best solar resource, Norway is a great place for hydro,” says Edwards on the growth of interconnectors. “The more connected we are, the better we can share these things and the greener everyone can be.''

Nah, lets just keep digging stuff up, burning it and poisoning our kids, who needs fluffy.

Fracking anyone?






 
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If you mean negatives, can you give us a few examples of how renewable energy is bad for the environment please?

Do they need to be dug out of the ground?
Are they extremely dangerous and flamable?
Are they shipped around the world in giant tankers that leak occasionally causing decades worth of damage to the aforementioned environment ?
Are they going to last for ever?
Will the financial cost increase as they become more scarce and harder to get?
Do they pollute the air your children will breathe?
Will they affect the climate?
Will they cause wars over ownership?
Or
Are renewables the cheapest, cleanest and most sustainable energy in history that won't poison the planet or your children, and that help countries to work together as Paul's link showed...

“We’ve got the best wind resource, southern Europe has the best solar resource, Norway is a great place for hydro,” says Edwards on the growth of interconnectors. “The more connected we are, the better we can share these things and the greener everyone can be.''

Nah, lets just keep digging stuff up, burning it and poisoning our kids, who needs fluffy.

Fracking anyone?

Can you clear up what is used to build the renewable sites ? Fresh air ? Do they appear out of nowhere ?

What do they use to build the tunnels or lay the cable


Or is it big huge machines which when in use pump out all those nasty fumes

What about the wildlife in the area where these big solar farms are built ? The marine animals where the seas wind farms are
what about all the digging to build the solar warms ?

What about the huge eye sores that are being dug in

Can you really say that everything is 100% clean ?‍♂️

Hence why it’s all fluffy feeling about clean renewable energy because it’s not really is it and most are doing to for tax relief and to gain extra finance
 

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Can you clear up what is used to build the renewable sites ? Fresh air ? Do they appear out of nowhere ?

What do they use to build the tunnels or lay the cable


Or is it big huge machines which when in use pump out all those nasty fumes

What about the wildlife in the area where these big solar farms are built ? The marine animals where the seas wind farms are
what about all the digging to build the solar warms ?

What about the huge eye sores that are being dug in

Can you really say that everything is 100% clean ?‍♂️

Hence why it’s all fluffy feeling about clean renewable energy because it’s not really is it and most are doing to for tax relief and to gain extra finance

I'm out
 

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No Sky on tv. Showing no signal, no broadband, but internet on computer is fine. Can’t face ringing up and being put on hold for ever. Did this before but suddenly all came back on after a few hours. This time it is nearly a day. ? I hate modern technology.
 

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No Sky on tv. Showing no signal, no broadband, but internet on computer is fine. Can’t face ringing up and being put on hold for ever. Did this before but suddenly all came back on after a few hours. This time it is nearly a day. ? I hate modern technology.


have you tried resetting the network connection? (sorry if teaching to suck eggs)
 

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Do you mean turn on and off again ? Not in that order !

go to settings on the home button menu
right arrow across to the second item which is network connection - assume this has a cross? if so right arrow to network set up, press enter, should bring up a status box. If it doesnt say connected then right arrow again to reset and enter
 
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