garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
I accept straight every time may be exaggerated, agreed, but look at the COR numbers outside the sweet spot. As near as makes no difference to the actual sweet spot!!
I find that photo very hard to believe!
Perceived forgiveness.
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I find that photo very hard to believe!
One Planer
Global Moderator
Well it is from TM Gary
Having said that. Can they make such statements without the numbers to back it up. Surely if the club conforms to the R&A requirements it has to be a stated amount?
Agree to a point.
That picture stated the COR numbers for that clubs face. That is to do with forgiveness and how the ball reacts off the face.
I'm not sure here, but if the sweet spot is bigger does that affect the gear effect of the club influencing direction of the ball?
ger147
Tour Winner
It doesn't make it go straight from anywhere on the face, or anywhere near straight if your launch conditions are crap. More margin for error yes, automatic straights shots, absolutely NOT no matter what the COR of your club face is.
One Planer
Global Moderator
Like I said a few posts back, straight every time is a bit of an exaggeration on my part. Of cause swing plane and the angle of the face at impact will play the major roll in dictating the flight and direction of the ball.
But we're taking, in the general context of the thread, about forgiveness. Which, as I understand it, the higher the COR numbers are, the more forgiving the club is on off centre strikes.
ger147
Tour Winner
It was a very big exaggeration, not just a bit.
If GI clubs are not for you that's fine. I have no issue whatsoever with what clubs you want to play but leave the exaggerations out of any debate.
One Planer
Global Moderator
Perhaps you should point the same out to Taylormade
To me, effortless, means pretty much every time and is a pretty big exaggeration considering we all have different swings and Taylormade have no idea who will buy their clubs or what level they play at.
I could quite easily flick through some more of the OEM's sites and find a similar tag line, but frankly, I can't be bothered as this evidences my point nicely.
As for leaving exaggerations out of a debate, I put it to you that quite a but of what's been written on this thread has been exaggerated in some way to make a point.
kid2
Money List Winner
ger147
Tour Winner
Even TM don't claim straight every time from anywhere on the face, that was one of yours.
One Planer
Global Moderator
Perhaps so, and I accept that.
But an OEM's marketing machine using words like "effortless" when it comes to hitting clubs "High, long and straight" is no different IMO :thup:
But an OEM's marketing machine using words like "effortless" when it comes to hitting clubs "High, long and straight" is no different IMO :thup:
ger147
Tour Winner
I'll pop a dictionary in the post for you.
One Planer
Global Moderator
:thup:
NWJocko
Tour Winner
Just to turn this on its head a little.....
Is anything gained from a blade/players iron on a good, solid hit from the centre of a clubface over a more forgiving iron?
Just curious as I'm considering more forgiving irons........
Is anything gained from a blade/players iron on a good, solid hit from the centre of a clubface over a more forgiving iron?
Just curious as I'm considering more forgiving irons........
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I would say that Blade type cubs do not create as much distance as good GI clubs but are very predictable with ball flight when struck well.
I have a set of Ping i20's which are a progressive set of clubs, shorter irons are very blady and the longer irons have a little more offset with slightly longer club faces.
I have a set of Ping i20's which are a progressive set of clubs, shorter irons are very blady and the longer irons have a little more offset with slightly longer club faces.
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Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Gear effect has almost no effect on irons.
It is about the club rotating around it's COG. In a driver the COG is quite a way behind the face but in an iron it isn't.
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
NWJocko
Tour Winner
Joy!
The way you hit the ball with your very nice blades you must be a happy man mate!!
One Planer
Global Moderator
Thanks for that Gary :thup:
As I said, I wasn't sure, but it's nice to have that clear in my mind now.
For shaping shots you can't beat blade/player type irons.
Still my best round to date was level gross around Western Gailes in a club match, its a course where
shaping the ball really helped and i was able .. on that day to do that. Also playing in a comp a couple of months ago when the course was still hard and burnt with an old guy who was 70 and still using his MP32's. It was a very windy day gusting at over 35 mph... on that day he gave a lesson on how to play in the wind and that brought back to me that day what blade type clubs can do.
I'll stick with my GM clubs though as i still made buffer
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Snelly
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Quite a long thread. Some interesting views.
My thoughts are that if you want players clubs / blades / etc. then fine. Buy them and enjoy them. As I have said before, blades are for people that like blades and clubs that give you a bit more help are for the rest.
My own view is that you're a bit daft if you have bladed irons and a handicap of more than about 3. There are no pictures on scorecards and a well struck forged iron is neither here nor there when you post your score. Still, each to their own and if a crunching shot from a forged club gets you excited then good for you. But it would be more sensible to just say that you play with them because you like them rather than justifying it with reasons that don't stack up. Golf is easier with Ping Zings than it is with a set of Maxfli Australian Blades. Anyone saying otherwise is frankly clueless. And the same argument applies to a lesser extent if you take less extreme examples. It is just common sense.
Secondly, all this about shaping shots being easier with forged irons needs a bit of plain speaking. First things first, most of the golfers on this forum (me included) are not good enough to hit draws, fades, high or low shots on command, despite what you might say. It doesn't matter what club is in your hand really. An exceptional player can hit these shots when required, irrespective of whether he has a Ping or Mizuno iron to hit the ball with. Average players can't. The level of workability between the two clubs is negligible for nearly all players.
Also, there is actually very little difference in term of how a good shot feels between various clubs. A nicely struck Mizuno feels lovely as I am sure nearly everyone knows. But it is the same with a Ping iron really. Out of the sweet spot feels smashing with any club.
Enjoy your forged irons with small heads. Enjoy the sound they make at impact and that feeling of joy when you properly middle one. But probably best to say you have them because you like them rather than because of what they do to your scores.
Golf is about the player, not the club (within reason before anyone pipes up with a hair splitting example).
My thoughts are that if you want players clubs / blades / etc. then fine. Buy them and enjoy them. As I have said before, blades are for people that like blades and clubs that give you a bit more help are for the rest.
My own view is that you're a bit daft if you have bladed irons and a handicap of more than about 3. There are no pictures on scorecards and a well struck forged iron is neither here nor there when you post your score. Still, each to their own and if a crunching shot from a forged club gets you excited then good for you. But it would be more sensible to just say that you play with them because you like them rather than justifying it with reasons that don't stack up. Golf is easier with Ping Zings than it is with a set of Maxfli Australian Blades. Anyone saying otherwise is frankly clueless. And the same argument applies to a lesser extent if you take less extreme examples. It is just common sense.
Secondly, all this about shaping shots being easier with forged irons needs a bit of plain speaking. First things first, most of the golfers on this forum (me included) are not good enough to hit draws, fades, high or low shots on command, despite what you might say. It doesn't matter what club is in your hand really. An exceptional player can hit these shots when required, irrespective of whether he has a Ping or Mizuno iron to hit the ball with. Average players can't. The level of workability between the two clubs is negligible for nearly all players.
Also, there is actually very little difference in term of how a good shot feels between various clubs. A nicely struck Mizuno feels lovely as I am sure nearly everyone knows. But it is the same with a Ping iron really. Out of the sweet spot feels smashing with any club.
Enjoy your forged irons with small heads. Enjoy the sound they make at impact and that feeling of joy when you properly middle one. But probably best to say you have them because you like them rather than because of what they do to your scores.
Golf is about the player, not the club (within reason before anyone pipes up with a hair splitting example).
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guest100718
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Is there anything to back up the claims about GI irons making the game easier? Other than anecdotal evidence provided by forum members? I hear things like they are worth 4 to 5 shots a round being banded about but when you look at the areas where shots are lost, these types of claims don't stack up very well.
