Perceived forgiveness.

[One Planer]

For what it's worth, I agree with Gareth....and HJ

Firmly on the fence there Hawkeye

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Firmly on the fence there Hawkeye

And no chance of losing my balance anytime soon

 

[One Planer]

And no chance of losing my balance anytime soon

You'll get splinters :smirk:

 

[patricks148]

My bad shot is, and has always been, a pull. No amount of high C.O.R numbers will help that

I take the ball cleanly, with a divot after the ball. When it all goes well, I get the ball starting straight with a gentle fade as it begins to fall. When I get it wrong, I get the pull.



I have no issue with people using GI clubs. You're clearly a much better player than me Patrick, and, if you feel that the GI rons give you a little more confidence to shoot better scores when you're not swinging well, great. No doubt the more I progress, my mind set may change, but for now I'm confident in my current set.

There must be more than a pull, thats my bad shot and i hit a few of them in every round, usually with the driver, so if we are both hitting the same poor shot how come i'm half your handicap... is it jus i've played a couple more years than you?

In saying that i was down to your handicap in the first year i started using a set of Mizuno MX17 shovels

 

[One Planer]

There must be more than a pull, thats my bad shot and i hit a few of them in every round, usually with the driver, so if we are both hitting the same poor shot how come i'm half your handicap... is it jus i've played a couple more years than you?

I've only really played since September 2010, but I have zero natural talent for this game

The reason my handicap has remined higher than I would like is down to my driving. Generally put myself in place(s) that doesn't offer a chance to score well. That said, over this season my driving has been much improved, mainly to changes my pro has made to my posture an swing.

My game and handicap are moving in the right direction, that's the main thing I look at. I've dropped 2 shots this season and, with a bit of luck, will be looked at during the annual review.

If my handicap was stagnant, or worse, going backwards, then I 'may' have considered changes, but not to the clubs

In saying that i was down to your handicap in the first year i started using a set of Mizuno MX17 shovels

A question on this Patrick.

Your MX17's got you down, what I would deem as, very quickly to a good handicap. Why did you change?

 

[guest100718]

So as a hacker off 15, should I stick with my MP53s that I love or use my AP1s that I have kicking about.?

 

[patricks148]

A question on this Patrick.

Your MX17's got you down, what I would deem as, very quickly to a good handicap. Why did you change?

at the time i had started to play a lot of Links golf at Tain and used to find the wide sole of the MX17, didnt help of the bare lies i kept getting. i also wanted to take my ball flight down as like the JPX the MX17 just wanted to go high and straight. plus Mizuno had just brought out the MP57 and i prom myself as soon as i got to 10 i would treat myself to a set.

 

[One Planer]

at the time i had started to play a lot of Links golf at Tain and used to find the wide sole of the MX17, didnt help of the bare lies i kept getting. i also wanted to take my ball flight down as like the JPX the MX17 just wanted to go high and straight. plus Mizuno had just brought out the MP57 and i prom myself as soon as i got to 10 i would treat myself to a set.

Did forgiveness play a factor in your decision to change?

 

[garyinderry]

using players clubs would no doubt force people to improve their ball striking. it would not be a bad idea for someone to buy a cheap set of old mizuno mp irons to practice with then use their more forgiving clubs in comps.


just an idea.


when I changed to nike pro combos from shovels I didn't even really know about the differences. I didn't even worry about the size difference. I just got on with it and loved the look of my new bats!

 

[patricks148]

Did forgiveness play a factor in your decision to change?

Not really as at the time a knew nothing about golf, other than; hit it find it and hit it again. i few guys i played with all had blade type clubs and i tried a few of theirs and hit them well... ish for my handicap that was.

when i tried the MP57 they felt just as easy to hit as the Mx17 but i got a lower flight could hit low punches and bump and runs etc.
I still think the Mp57 were the best clubs that offered everything Mizuno have made, that i have tried anyway.

I wanted to try blades so got a 2nd hand set of mp32 and hit them well also, them when i saw my MP62 in a local pro shop almost brand new, i had to have them. I hit them well on occ, i shot a level par gross with the off the back tee's at Western Gails and a level at Castle Stuart off the black tee's one day, the same tee as the pro's had used for the Scottish open a few weeks before. not to mention 47 points in the club spring meeting.

But..

There were also times when i shot high 80 and even the odd 90 with them as when you are off they went no where.

I wasn't hitting the ball well at the start of the year and tried the JPX that belonged to the pro at the Mizuno dealer in Inversneck..

again i didn't hit the ball very well but they masked the poor strikes and i gained 10 yards with each club comp with the mp62.

it was a no brainer to change.

 

[One Planer]

Not really as at the time a knew nothing about golf, other than; hit it find it and hit it again. i few guys i played with all had blade type clubs and i tried a few of theirs and hit them well... ish for my handicap that was.

when i tried the MP57 they felt just as easy to hit as the Mx17 but i got a lower flight could hit low punches and bump and runs etc.
I still think the Mp57 were the best clubs that offered everything Mizuno have made, that i have tried anyway.

I wanted to try blades so got a 2nd hand set of mp32 and hit them well also, them when i saw my MP62 in a local pro shop almost brand new, i had to have them. I hit them well on occ, i shot a level par gross with the off the back tee's at Western Gails and a level at Castle Stuart off the black tee's one day, the same tee as the pro's had used for the Scottish open a few weeks before. not to mention 47 points in the club spring meeting.

But..

There were also times when i shot high 80 and even the odd 90 with them as when you are off they went no where.

I wasn't hitting the ball well at the start of the year and tried the JPX that belonged to the pro at the Mizuno dealer in Inversneck..

again i didn't hit the ball very well but they masked the poor strikes and i gained 10 yards with each club comp with the mp62.

it was a no brainer to change.

Nice answer there Patrick :thup:

For me, what you have summed up there is a very accurate story of a handicap golfer, albeit in your case a good one.

One week you shoot level par, the next your back into the 80's.

It's the same in the professional game. One day they can shoot mid to low 60's, the next mid 70's ..... That's golf.

On the back of this thread, I asked myself the question over the weekend "Would a set of GI clubs help me get lower?"

My honest answer, No.

Would they make my mis-hits fly straighter? Yep, they would.

Would they make my mis-hits fly further? Yep, no doubt

Would I still have the same swing flawes, albeit masked by the tech of the club....... Yep.

Or, to paraphrase Hawkeye

I know that when I've played well it's because I played well and not because the clubs masked some of my issues.

I know golf is a game of how many, not how. I guess I just enjoy a challange

 

[garyinderry]

Would they make my mis-hits fly straighter? Yep, they would.

do they cheat the ball flight laws?

 

[Qwerty]

Fwiw, I persevered with a set of MP32 for a year. It was purely an ego thing at the time, I wasn't sure if playing off 9 I was good enough for them but if it meant having a set of handsome Blades in the bag it was worth a try.

Theres no doubt about it, when my game was "on" they were a pleasure to use but the other 75% of the time I knew they were too much club for me,anything more than 8 iron was hard work. The novelty wore off and they had to go.

The Mp 53s I have now are for me the perfect balance of control in the shorter irons and forgiveness in the longer irons. I know if I'm having an "off" day I can still maybe chop it round in something respectable, where the 32s would just make me look a fool!!

 

[One Planer]

do they cheat the ball flight laws?

It's all in the C.O.R and weighting ......... Apparently

 

[patricks148]

Nice answer there Patrick :thup:

For me, what you have summed up there is a very accurate story of a handicap golfer, albeit in your case a good one.

One week you shoot level par, the next your back into the 80's.

It's the same in the professional game. One day they can shoot mid to low 60's, the next mid 70's ..... That's golf.

On the back of this thread, I asked myself the question over the weekend "Would a set of GI clubs help me get lower?"

My honest answer, No.

Would they make my mis-hits fly straighter? Yep, they would.

Would they make my mis-hits fly further? Yep, no doubt

Would I still have the same swing flawes, albeit masked by the tech of the club....... Yep.

Or, to paraphrase Hawkeye



I know golf is a game of how many, not how. I guess I just enjoy a challange

I think you prob would shoot lower scores with GI Irons and just cos you have GI irons doesnt mean you still don't hit the ball well. there's more to a good round that good iron play, though its important.

The last good round i played was a 77 gross. CSS 73, i played like a right monkey, but putter very well indeed

 

[One Planer]

I think you prob would shoot lower scores with GI Irons and just cos you have GI irons doesnt mean you still don't hit the ball well. there's more to a good round that good iron play, though its important.

The last good round i played was a 77 gross. CSS 73, i played like a right monkey, but putter very well indeed

Totally agree. Iron play is not the be-all and end-all of the game, but it's a contributing factor. The 5 iron I hit into the 9th that plugged in the fringe from 171 emphasized that

If you get custom fit for irons (... As I did) you know on the day whether you can hit them or not. The proof of the pudding sits in the launch monitor data and impact tape. Iif the ball was all over the face and the numbers were cack, should I still buy the irons? Of course not, nor would/should the fitter expect you to.

If me playing a 'better players' club is pampering my ego, then so be it.

My handicap is moving in the right direction and, to me, that's all the proof I need to know the equipment I'm using is suitable.

 

[patricks148]

Totally agree. Iron play is not the be-all and end-all of the game, but it's a contributing factor. The 5 iron I hit into the 9th that plugged in the fringe from 171 emphasized that

If you get custom fit for irons (... As I did) you know on the day whether you can hit them or not. The proof of the pudding sits in the launch monitor data and impact tape. Iif the ball was all over the face and the numbers were cack, should I still buy the irons? Of course not, nor would/should the fitter expect you to.

If me playing a 'better players' club is pampering my ego, then so be it.

My handicap is moving in the right direction and, to me, that's all the proof I need to know the equipment I'm using is suitable.

I took the 62 out for a couple of bounce games recently and yes, i still hit them fine in fact i hit a couple of crackers with the 3 iron, but that just confirmed how much easier the game is with some help.

Of course its nice to have a great looking set blade type irons in the bag, but at the end of the day its scores that count. The young 14 year old lad a mentioned in another post that shot 66 gross in the medal last week, has a right load of old crap in his bag.. all hand me downs and none of it less than 10 years old... guess what he shot on sunday in a comp.... 69 gross with the css74 with it being windy.

Indians and arrows springs to mind

 

[One Planer]

Indians and arrows springs to mind

:thup:

 

[kid2]

Seeig as i started all this Malarky i might as well keep going....
I still stand by what i said and Gareth on this...... I can also relate to what HJ is saying and i mean no disrespect to his trade either......

So if i take yesterday as an example.....
My Irons in HJ's words are "Hardly Game Improvement"...... Yesterday i shot 79 gross....... The only bad shot i hit with my irons over the 18 holes came on the first with my 4 iron...... I caught the ball off the toe..... It only went 140mtrs before the rough had slowed it down...... I dropped 8 shots to par broken down as follows.....

1.The 1st....Poor tee shot with my 4 iron.... Made bogie. 1
2. 3 putted our par 3 2nd after hitting the middle of the green.....2
3. Dropped 1 on the 3rd to a pulled tee shot with a 3 wood.3
4. 3 putted the 4th par 3 after hitting a front bunker5
5. A pushed drive on the 7th put me under a tree where i had to chip out and had 190mtrs to the middle of the green.. Milled a hybrid and hit the back of the green pin high.... chip and 2 putts.... double bogie.7
6. A plugged ball at the side of the 11th green i had to chunk out.. 2 putts... bogie8
7. A hooked drive into cabbage, I had to reload and ended up with a double bogie.....10
8. A Birdie on 16 and 17 got me 2 back..8

Shots dropped by Irons that i shouldnt be using 1.....

On no account yesterday did i think i need more forgiving clubs......

And my Irons.... Wilsonstaff FG Tours..... Standard length,loft and lie straight off the shelf with DG S300 shafts....

 

[guest100718]

My 21 hdcp friend shot his best round ever using a set of 1970s of wilson blades he borrowed from me. Hardy what you'd call SGI irons...