Opens and Prizes

[HomerJSimpson]

Nothing

And most clubs wont do anything

There will always be the overzealous HC sec of GM etc who will love to over lord it

But most clubs and their members will carry on running their swindles how they wish

All of ours have dropped roll up handicap systems. Guess what, after a week of bitching everyone is signing in and putting cards in and the world keeps turning. I suggest it wil be those looking to protect a vanity handicap or avoid a potential cut before a big event or open that may be the ones with most to risk but all of our Saturday and Sunday roll up members are going along with it. Yes the club has cast an eye over the booked names and seeing if a card per person has gone in but in my roll up groups case they all complied without issue

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Through the powers of observation and general awareness. These things are not hidden back room gatherings; it's pretty obvious when a group of a dozen or more is running it's own regular competitions.

Exactly. Club knows who plays in what roll ups regulalrly and who runs them. Not rocket science to keep an eye on

 

[Lord Tyrion]

This whole scenario and debate was covered on another thread only recently. This is simply rehashing those discussions. If people want to do that please go back to that thread and leave this one be. Let's get this one back on track.

 

[Swango1980]

So if I was running a roll up, and did not give any info to the Club, what could they do ?

Are you talking about you running a regular type of roll up competition?

I'd agree that if you organised a single event as a one off, with a bunch of your mates, the Club isn't going to see it as a regular organised competition, and insist you do anything.

But, if you are talking about you organising a regular weekly roll up, it is probably quite easy for Club to find out. I mean, you'll be regularly booking tee times on the course that the Club manage. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out there is a regular competition going on between members.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Are you talking about you running a regular type of roll up competition?

I'd agree that if you organised a single event as a one off, with a bunch of your mates, the Club isn't going to see it as a regular organised competition, and insist you do anything.

But, if you are talking about you organising a regular weekly roll up, it is probably quite easy for Club to find out. I mean, you'll be regularly booking tee times on the course that the Club manage. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out there is a regular competition going on between members.

See my last 2 posts. Exactly what happened at my place. Got called in as organiser to be asked to stop using roll up handicaps and club then monitored first few weeks and checked those in the roll up against cards submitted. Fortunately everyone had submitted

 

[AussieKB]

Are you talking about you running a regular type of roll up competition?

I'd agree that if you organised a single event as a one off, with a bunch of your mates, the Club isn't going to see it as a regular organised competition, and insist you do anything.

But, if you are talking about you organising a regular weekly roll up, it is probably quite easy for Club to find out. I mean, you'll be regularly booking tee times on the course that the Club manage. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to work out there is a regular competition going on between members.

No it is a large group of guys who play most Tuesdays, but we move around to different courses, have our own handicap system and rules etc.

What is the harm ????

 

[HomerJSimpson]

No it is a large group of guys who play most Tuesdays, but we move around to different courses, have our own handicap system and rules etc.

What is the harm ????

Also harder to hit a moving target

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Folks, I asked politely. If people continue to take this off track then the thread will be locked and warnings handed out.

If you want to carry this on, dig out the old thread.

 

[Crazyface]

You can still have the competitive edge even though you can't win a prize? Whenever I play in a comp the target is to have a lower handicap than when I started and that is what spurs me on to play well. Crazyface has the option to submit the required number of cards by playing a few stablefords at his home club, I really don't see what the problem is.

The club in question stated that they require competition scores, which I can do, but the wife doesn't. She's really not bothered and it me that drags her along. The one, and to date, ONLY, time she has actually been "up" for a comp we played in was at St Annes Old Links, where she said before we started "I feel good about today". We dovetailed brilliantly she was on fire, crumbs I nearly eagled one! We got 46 points! But I digress. Normally, she doesn't bother, she's just there for the game. But I'm competitive. If we are playing in a comp, then we are trying to win, until the first blob goes on the card, then we're done.

 

[Voyager EMH]

Stumbled upon this from May last year from a fairly well known course. I have erased names.
Second place was 94 points.
Nice 1-under par round from the one getting 11 shots. That is 85% of his handicap, I assume.
Plenty of 4-pointers/net eagles scored.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Just to update this

Today was the 2026 version


The winners this year had








98 points

 

[nickjdavis]

Just to update this

Today was the 2026 version


The winners this year had








98 points

Not sure what the shock/surprise is.

My experience is that, to be vaguely competitive in a best 2 from 4 format, you need to score 90 points as an absolute minimum...that's just a 3 pointer and a 2 pointer per hole ...92-94 should get you in the top three or four places....98 is high, but not laughably so.

Sub 90 points is absolutely nowhere in such events.

Its why I generally don't play them. (and its not a WHS issue, it was like this before WHS)

 

[irip]

Not sure what the shock/surprise is.

My experience is that, to be vaguely competitive in a best 2 from 4 format, you need to score 90 points as an absolute minimum...that's just a 3 pointer and a 2 pointer per hole ...92-94 should get you in the top three or four places....98 is high, but not laughably so.

Sub 90 points is absolutely nowhere in such events.

Its why I generally don't play them. (and its not a WHS issue, it was like this before WHS)

I agree 100%.
We always thought 90 was the aim. 95 or more to have a sniff of winning.
The ones I played in where all drawn rather than pick your own team

 

[IanM]

Just to update this

Today was the 2026 version

The winners this year had

98 points

Excellent. We used to go every year, but the vote was to not bother this year due to the daft scores.

Got a couple of trips with members pencilled in for later in the year when it warms up a bit.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Not sure what the shock/surprise is.

My experience is that, to be vaguely competitive in a best 2 from 4 format, you need to score 90 points as an absolute minimum...that's just a 3 pointer and a 2 pointer per hole ...92-94 should get you in the top three or four places....98 is high, but not laughably so.

Sub 90 points is absolutely nowhere in such events.

Its why I generally don't play them. (and its not a WHS issue, it was like this before WHS)

It is creeping up and up - wasn’t that long ago when winners were around low 80’s

But now you getting close to having to need minimum 100 to get in the prizes

 

[Swango1980]

Not sure what the shock/surprise is.

My experience is that, to be vaguely competitive in a best 2 from 4 format, you need to score 90 points as an absolute minimum...that's just a 3 pointer and a 2 pointer per hole ...92-94 should get you in the top three or four places....98 is high, but not laughably so.

Sub 90 points is absolutely nowhere in such events.

Its why I generally don't play them. (and its not a WHS issue, it was like this before WHS)

Agreed.

98 points is a great score, but hardly indicates anything dodgy with handicaps. Assuming there are no special holes (such as all scores counting), the way I see it is 90 points means that, on average, every hole one person gets a 3 pointer and another gets a 2 pointer. Therefore, if you have 2 or 3 players on really good form (and often that helps lift everyones game in that group), then you'd think a team that is on it that day could get well into the 90's. Especially if there are a few great holes where they get 6-8 points, and avoid getting to many 3 pointer holes or worse.

 

[IanM]

I agree 100%.
We always thought 90 was the aim. 95 or more to have a sniff of winning.
The ones I played in where all drawn rather than pick your own team

...but a bit less at a wintery Porthcawl surely!

 

[Swango1980]

It is creeping up and up - wasn’t that long ago when winners were around low 80’s

But now you getting close to having to need minimum 100 to get in the prizes

That is pushing it a bit

100 points would have got you the WIN. And how many places are given prizes? Did all the prize winners get 98 points, with all scores decided on countback?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Myself and the eldest daughter are playing a mixed scramble comp later in the year. We are effectively getting 2 comp fees for 1 normal green fee. We will have fun and enjoy it. That's all that matters to me (she will be trying to win, thats for sure BUT have fun as well )

 

[irip]

...but a bit less at a wintery Porthcawl surely!

No this was a nice parkland in the middle of summer off the yellow tees.
I didn’t realise this was at Portcrawl today.
Bandits hang em all!!!