Official Society Handicaps

[LCVreg]

Clubs offer society golf to cheap at many courses, perhaps if they had two levels of payment - society members with county cards one rate and society's without county cards another rate it might encourage more people who play to join a club.

Clubs have realised that their green fees for visitors are TOO expensive, that is why the County Card Scheme was invented - New intakes to the game do not have access to county cards unless they join a club first - isnt this a bit of a catch 22 situation

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Clubs have realised that their green fees for visitors are TOO expensive, that is why the County Card Scheme was invented - New intakes to the game do not have access to county cards unless they join a club first - isnt this a bit of a catch 22 situation

Really?

I first had a County Card 40 years ago. They were seen as a courtesy/reciprocal arrangement amongst members of clubs within a county.

 

[LCVreg]

If that's in response to my query.

The official recognized handicap software - as an ex handicap secretary you should know that.

EGU? - no such animal, if you are quoting their figures you are at least 2 years out of date.

Golf courses require members in numbers to survive so without the members golf courses would close and society's would have no where to go. Although society's provide great finances for a club and are very welcome at ours and can play of any tee they are not the life blood of golf clubs.

What really annoys me about a golf club is when I can get a cheaper deal with my society's than I can with my county card. If clubs reversed that they may find more people who play in society's may feel it more beneficial to operate out of a club and get an official handicap.

EGU, England Golf, what is in a name

 

[Hobbit]

Exactly - you are compounding your own thoughts - Yes, I do want a handicap for my own benefit, not the clubs benefit - why the hell would I want it for the clubs benefit!

Excellent!

We've established through your posts that you want cheap green fees and a CONGU handicap so you can play open competitions. You want to take but give little back to "this beloved game" you want to protect.

Why not be honest from the start instead of spouting all that holier than thou white knight on a charger bull about protecting the game. You want full access to golf on the cheap.

 

[LCVreg]

If that's in response to my query.

The official recognized handicap software - as an ex handicap secretary you should know that.

EGU? - no such animal, if you are quoting their figures you are at least 2 years out of date.

Golf courses require members in numbers to survive so without the members golf courses would close and society's would have no where to go. Although society's provide great finances for a club and are very welcome at ours and can play of any tee they are not the life blood of golf clubs.

What really annoys me about a golf club is when I can get a cheaper deal with my society's than I can with my county card. If clubs reversed that they may find more people who play in society's may feel it more beneficial to operate out of a club and get an official handicap.

And by the way, played your oppos acros the bay last Weds - Love Saunton and love RND even more! - in fact my favourite club of the lot, (of 378 played) - but both have more "country and long distance members" than normal clubs. North Devon is very unlike the majority of the rest of the UK having so many fewer courses, and also being so far away from the rest of the world (you know what I mean), - I also know that you have lost a couple of courses recently, Willingcott a few weeks ago I hear - all very sad as each and every course and their members and pay as you players have very little choice to continue their sport. I hve always believed that golf should be a sport for all,and available for all, hence one reason for my spat about Societies and also against Some golf clubs and some of their members views. Saunton by the way has one of the friendliest welcomes and staff that I have seen anyway!

 

[LCVreg]

Which is really the question he isn't answering

He (I!) have answered - I do not see why a golf club member is any better than a Golf Society member when it comes to handicaps - the majority of club members have just 5 qualifying scores per year ( facts from GCMA members!) - one society I run has 15 ! - so why do you assume club members have a more exact handicap than equivalent society members.

 

[Hobbit]

I'd like to hire a Ferrari 20 weekends a year but only pay Mondeo rates. After a few years the Ferrari will be knackered, but don't worry, you'll have banked enough to buy another......... Mondeo.

Thats the future using your business model.

As to your, "the majority of club member have just 5 qualifying scores per year," absolute fact without a doubt. But what you either fail to understand or choose to ignore, is that 60% of members aren't interested in competition golf. The vast majority of actively competitive club golfers play significantly more than 5 qualifiers a year.

 

[LCVreg]

I am still failing to see why you care about having a CONGU handicap if your society one is so spot on.

It's your society, you could make up and entire new system for doing handicaps taking into account the phases of the moon or deductions for how breezey it was in the morning, why do you need the CONGU one?

I care because I care, and am not blinkered like some! - Congu is a quango that will change - ask them when Slope is coming in - it is coming, believe me! - Handicap system will be so much better then

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I care because I care, and am not blinkered like some! - Congu is a quango that will change - ask them when Slope is coming in - it is coming, believe me! - Handicap system will be so much better then

Are you being a little disingenuous here?

Do you, perhaps, have a vested interest?

 

[LCVreg]

so how do you vet peoples h/caps if all your members havent got one?
they might be good golfers ,but they havent got a h/cap ,so how do you stop the bandits joining and taking your prizes every time.
i for one wouldnt trust a society h/cap

Surely a handicap organised by a society to the same rules, standards, and systems is as good as a club handicap where many if not most members probably only play 3 qualifying scores a year anyway ....there re no bandits in our societies - in fact their society handicaps are more often lower and more correct than their "official" club handicap - This is where I emphasise the difference twixt yer actual pub society and a properly run society playing a dozen or so times a year and whose members have a TRUE and Correct handicap of their real ability!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He (I!) have answered - I do not see why a golf club member is any better than a Golf Society member when it comes to handicaps - the majority of club members have just 5 qualifying scores per year ( facts from GCMA members!) - one society I run has 15 ! - so why do you assume club members have a more exact handicap than equivalent society members.

I'm confused where anyone has said that a club member is better than a society member and what difference does it make how many qualifiers they play.

Your society has "zero qualfiying" scores because they are not qualifiers

 

[LCVreg]

Are you being a little disingenuous here?

Do you, perhaps, have a vested interest?

Sadly no vested interests! - I just care that unless you are a club member, you cannot have a "official" handicap - It is I would say much more important to have a "correct" handicap that an official handicap that is more likely than not based on just 3 or 4 "qulaifying" rounds a year - this is why I also say that US Slope system is so much better!

 

[LCVreg]

I'm confused where anyone has said that a club member is better than a society member and what difference does it make how many qualifiers they play.

Your society has "zero qualfiying" scores because they are not qualifiers

The assumption given by you is that unless you are a member of a golf club, you do not have an "official" handicap - a correct handicap is much more important!

 

[LCVreg]

Really?

I first had a County Card 40 years ago. They were seen as a courtesy/reciprocal arrangement amongst members of clubs within a county.

Forty years ago - I would check that if I were you!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The assumption given by you is that unless you are a member of a golf club, you do not have an "official" handicap - a correct handicap is much more important!

It's not an assumption - it's a fact.

 

[LCVreg]

What's a properly organised society as opposed to your average normal run of the mill society ?

Why does a society need to official HC if not playing in HC qualfiying comps

So why cannot the society competitions not be qualifyers!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So why cannot the society competitions not be qualifyers!

Because societies play a social game including gimmies and aren't affiliated to any Union or Congu and won't ever be affiliated

 

[LCVreg]

Sorry, I have only been a golf-club member for 44 years so will have to bow to your superior knowledge. And obviously the offices I held and committees served on would be so much less important than your own.

However, I fail to see why the established system would benefit by recognising society handicaps and hosting so called qualifying competitions operated by unregulated societies.

If people want the structure currently offered by golf clubs then the answer is really quite simple. They should join a club.

Things are changing in this world - so do golf clubs and their systems which include the restrictive and over complicated Congu

 

[LCVreg]

I'm confused where anyone has said that a club member is better than a society member and what difference does it make how many qualifiers they play.

Your society has "zero qualfiying" scores because they are not qualifiers

All my society meets are qualifyers for our own handicaps!

 

[LCVreg]

It's not an assumption - it's a fact.

So you are saying that golfers who are members of clubs are better than those that are not - bit blinkered I would suggest!