Numbers on golf clubs!

[bluewolf]

Exactly right! See:

http://www.ping.com/clubs/ironsdetail.aspx?id=6969

I did look it up. I added the "I think" bit because of the sheer number of people on this forum who seem keen to pick up on any apparent mistake and turn it into an argument. Adding wiggle room saves me from getting into arguments .

 

[Foxholer]

Do you ever read properly what people write? Or do you just make up what you think they might have wrote?

I had a fairly well used set of Ping i15 irons. Just over a year ago after trying some TM Speed Blades (not RBZ) at a demo day, I decided to invest in a new custom fitted set of them. I ordered 4-SW including a GW. Their spec is shown in my signature below. They are pretty good clubs and did reduce my handicap when I first got them. However I found the 4-iron quite difficult to use because it has so little loft, so that has since languished in a cupboard. Otherwise I hit the ball at least a club longer than the Pings.

Wow! If there's ever a case of Pot and Kettle!!! :rofl:

I did indeed misread your Sig as having RBZs (the hybrids) rather than Speedblades. 'My Bad!'

Otherwise, everything that I posted applies. It was your choice (stupidity?) to order as you did! The fact that you ordered the GW would indicate that you had, or should have had, some idea of what you were doing! Doesn't really seem like a proper 'custom fit' to me though as you should have been informed of/compared the difference! Where was the C/F done? And what did it entail?

 

[delc]

So because you assumed incorrectly you want all manufacturers to be standard so that you don't make the same mistake again

I would have thought a man of your apparent intellect would have done a bit of reaserch to see exactky what the lofts are - it took me two mins to find out the exact lofts of the speedblades

Did you ask the pro what the lofts were when going through the fitting ? If not then why ?

I think we only discussed shaft length, shaft flex and lie angle, as far I can remember. I knew that lofts had generally got a bit stronger since the 1980's, which I why I didn't order a 3-iron, but I assumed (wrongly as it turned out) that all manufacturers would use about the same specs. A set of irons used to be 3-PW, but it's now getting more like 6-GW!

 

[Foxholer]

So because you assumed incorrectly you want all manufacturers to be standard so that you don't make the same mistake again

I would have thought a man of your apparent intellect would have done a bit of reaserch to see exactky what the lofts are - it took me two mins to find out the exact lofts of the speedblades

Did you ask the pro what the lofts were when going through the fitting ? If not then why ?

:thup:

5-GW (or AW or UW or 10) is pretty common in GI sets these days.

 

[Foxholer]

...Adding wiggle room saves me from getting into arguments .

Oh no it doesn't! :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think we only discussed shaft length, shaft flex and lie angle, as far I can remember. I knew that lofts had generally got a bit stronger since the 1980's, which I why I didn't order a 3-iron, but I assumed (wrongly as it turned out) that all manufacturers would use about the same specs. A set of irons used to be 3-PW, but it's now getting more like 6-GW!

I reckon most golfers would realise that lofts vary between manufacturers - I don't know much about clubs etc but even I knew that lofts varied in the short time I have been playing golf - how long have you been playing ?

Again the manufacturer will sell what's needed and you can ask and find out yourself

So all this nonsense about making every club standard is because you made an assumption and didn't do your checks

 

[delc]

The Custom Fit for the Speed Blades was carried out by Complete Golfer at Northwood who are generally pretty good. The custom fit consisted of a chat about my handicap and distances, a few bodily measurements (height, floor to wrist etc), and hitting some shots off a lie board into a net, with a Trackman. I had tried the Speed Blades out at a TM demo day elsewhere. Typically I was only given a pitching wedge and a 7-iron to try, and hit them pretty well. There was no mention that they had particularly strong lofts, and the pro at Complete Golfer probably didn't know this either. Maybe you guys will now understand the motivation behind my original posting! I really do think there should be an industry standard for golf club specs. :mmm:

 

[chrisd]

Easily sorted, I did an average distance carry and roll out for all my clubs on a GC2 monitor. I wrote them all down and work off them for shots, so, I just vary the club required as to wind, temperature, elevation and whether there is roll out or not to decide on the club, in doing so the number and loft is largely unimportant as I look for the distance, add to take away for the variables and use the club indicated by the chart

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The Custom Fit for the Speed Blades was carried out by Complete Golfer at Northwood who are generally pretty good. The custom fit consisted of a chat about my handicap and distances, a few bodily measurements (height, floor to wrist etc), and hitting some shots off a lie board into a net, with a Trackman. I had tried the Speed Blades out at a TM demo day elsewhere. Typically I was only given a pitching wedge and a 7-iron to try, and hit them pretty well. There was no mention that they had particularly strong lofts, and the pro at Complete Golfer probably didn't know this either. Maybe you guys will now understand the motivation behind my original posting! I really do think there should be an industry standard for golf club specs. :mmm:

Yes you want things to change to cover your own error and mistake

It takes seconds to find out the loft of the club and you could have asked that question yourself

Manufacturers will continue to produce clubs without an industry standard because having a standard doesn't make them stand out

The lesson you should learn is to ask the right questions and do your own research first - I know this is a strange concept but the onus is on you to do what is needed as opposed to changing everything to suit yourself to save you doing work

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Assuming that the other factors are optimised (e.g. by custom fitting), distance is only determined by loft angle and shaft length. I know from custom fitting sessions that changing the flex of the shaft affects spin rate and dispersion much more than distance. So yes, I would expect equally numbered clubs to be within a certain range of specification!

Two irons with the same loft that create different amounts of spin will go different distances. Therefore, the beginner you talk about who probably buys of the shelf and doesn't have a proper custom fitting still doesn't really know what he/she is buying. It doesn't matter if it has 7, 35 or rebecca stamped on the bottom of it, the buyer won't know from one set to the next how far each club will hit the ball...

...and if everyone did get custom fitted, it still wouldn't matter if your 6-iron was called Gavin, because you would know from your fitting how far you hit each club.

 

[delc]

Yes you want things to change to cover your own error and mistake

It takes seconds to find out the loft of the club and you could have asked that question yourself

Manufacturers will continue to produce clubs without an industry standard because having a standard doesn't make them stand out

The lesson you should learn is to ask the right questions and do your own research first - I know this is a strange concept but the onus is on you to do what is needed as opposed to changing everything to suit yourself to save you doing work

There are other considerations than jacked up (or rather down) lofts and tour pros hitting their clubs vast distances. How about quality (not a problem), accuracy and ease of use for ordinary golfers. Ping go in for this, so why not Taylor Made?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There are other considerations than jacked up (or rather down) lofts and tour pros hitting their clubs vast distances. How about quality (not a problem), accuracy and ease of use for ordinary golfers. Ping go in for this, so why not Taylor Made?

Eh ?!

What is that post about ?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

There are other considerations than jacked up (or rather down) lofts and tour pros hitting their clubs vast distances. How about quality (not a problem), accuracy and ease of use for ordinary golfers. Ping go in for this, so why not Taylor Made?

Hmm, Delc in changing the point of his post when he is losing the argument shocker

 

[Foxholer]

The Custom Fit for the Speed Blades was carried out by Complete Golfer at Northwood who are generally pretty good. The custom fit consisted of a chat about my handicap and distances, a few bodily measurements (height, floor to wrist etc), and hitting some shots off a lie board into a net, with a Trackman. I had tried the Speed Blades out at a TM demo day elsewhere. Typically I was only given a pitching wedge and a 7-iron to try, and hit them pretty well. There was no mention that they had particularly strong lofts, and the pro at Complete Golfer probably didn't know this either. Maybe you guys will now understand the motivation behind my original posting! I really do think there should be an industry standard for golf club specs. :mmm:

Seems more like a victim of your own incompetence to me! Did you take your own clubs in to calibrate? I'd be very surprised if the Pro selling the clubs wasn't aware of 'loft-jacking', as it had been going on for several years! May not have been a particularly bad C/F, albeit a Sales oriented one. The only problem is you (current/developed) inability to hit a 4 (or perhaps 5!) iron these days!

 

[delc]

Hmm, Delc in changing the point of his post when he is losing the argument shocker

I'm not losing the argument at all! I suggested in my original posting that golf clubs should have their lofts stamped on them (as an old set of Titleist irons I still own actually do). While I am generally happy with my TM clubs, knowing what their lofts where would have stopped me from buying a 4-iron I can't use. :mmm:

 

[bobmac]

A set of irons used to be 3-PW, but it's now getting more like 6-GW!

Where do you get that from?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

It took an hour to work out yardages on the practice ground using my GPS device and taking an average. At my level that's as accurate as I need it. I could go and get on a launch monitor but don't feel it necessary. Just because Delc got bitten it seems he needs everyone to suddenly fall into line and have an industry standard. That won't happen and each off the shelf model has its own set of shafts which will give different results with different golfers. You'll never get two clubs even with equal loft going the same distance if there are variables (shaft, perimeter weighting, forged v cavity, hot face)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not losing the argument at all! I suggested in my original posting that golf clubs should have their lofts stamped on them (as an old set of Titleist irons I still own actually do). While I am generally happy with my TM clubs, knowing what their lofts where would have stopped me from buying a 4-iron I can't use. :mmm:

Again that's your own fault for not doing your own research and not asking the right questions

You want the industry to change to avoid you making mistakes when you make assumptions

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I'm not losing the argument at all! I suggested in my original posting that golf clubs should have their lofts stamped on them (as an old set of Titleist irons I still own actually do). While I am generally happy with my TM clubs, knowing what their lofts where would have stopped me from buying a 4-iron I can't use. :mmm:

You're older than me, I assume you've been playing longer. When I had my custom fit for AP2s, which aren't as jacked as some, I decided to go with a 4H instead of a 4i because my swing is shallow and a hybrid is easier for me to hit out of the rough. I made that decision on the basis of understanding my swing, not the loft that is stamped on the bottom.

Your initial post was about beginners but it now transpires, yet again, that you want things changed to compensate for your own mistakes/inability.

If you're spending a decent amount of money on stuff, it is up to you to make sure what you're buying stuff that suits you. If you don't, that's your fault, no-one elses.

 

[Foxholer]

You're older than me, I assume you've been playing longer. When I had my custom fit for AP2s, which aren't as jacked as some, I decided to go with a 4H instead of a 4i because my swing is shallow and a hybrid is easier for me to hit out of the rough. I made that decision on the basis of understanding my swing, not the loft that is stamped on the bottom.

Your initial post was about beginners but it now transpires, yet again, that you want things changed to compensate for your own mistakes/inability.

If you're spending a decent amount of money on stuff, it is up to you to make sure what you're buying stuff that suits you. If you don't, that's your fault, no-one elses.

Though, I believe The Complete Golfer offer some sort of money back guarantee! It wouldn't surprise me if Del's inability to hit the 4-iron arrived pretty much immediately after he was informed that it has the same loft as an 'old' 3-iron!

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You want the industry to change to avoid you making mistakes when you make assumptions

It's why the put the 'Caution contents may be hot' on Microwave-able Food and 'Caution Contains Nuts' on packs of Peanuts!