Numbers on golf clubs!

[delc]

It took an hour to work out yardages on the practice ground using my GPS device and taking an average. At my level that's as accurate as I need it. I could go and get on a launch monitor but don't feel it necessary. Just because Delc got bitten it seems he needs everyone to suddenly fall into line and have an industry standard. That won't happen and each off the shelf model has its own set of shafts which will give different results with different golfers. You'll never get two clubs even with equal loft going the same distance if there are variables (shaft, perimeter weighting, forged v cavity, hot face)

Unfortunately we don't have a practice ground as such at my club. We do have a practice range, but then you are using grotty one piece range balls that only go about 3/4 of the distance of proper golf balls, and you are not allowed to walk out to check your distances anyway, due to 'Ealth 'n Safety considerations. However I was able to work out my distances out on the course by trial and error and using a GPS watch. My longer irons have a 'speed pocket' to give a hot face. Only problem with this is that if I hit a ball exactly off the sweet spot it goes about 20 yards further than normal!

 

[Foxholer]

Unfortunately we don't have a practice ground as such at my club. We do have a practice range, but then you are using grotty one piece range balls that only go about 3/4 of the distance of proper golf balls, and you are not allowed to walk out to check your distances anyway, due to 'Ealth 'n Safety considerations. However I was able to work out my distances out on the course by trial and error and using a GPS watch. My longer irons have a 'speed pocket' to give a hot face. Only problem with this is that if I hit a ball exactly off the sweet spot it goes about 20 yards further than normal!

If you can't sort out distances in the first half dozen holes at your place, then there's no point trying to work out distances at all!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Go out when the course is quiet and hit a few balls on each hole. Off 12 it doesn't have to be OCD accurate

 

[delc]

Though, I believe The Complete Golfer offer some sort of money back guarantee! It wouldn't surprise me if Del's inability to hit the 4-iron arrived pretty much immediately after he was informed that it has the same loft as an 'old' 3-iron!



It's why the put the 'Caution contents may be hot' on Microwave-able Food and 'Caution Contains Nuts' on packs of Peanuts!

I could just about hit the 4-iron in my Ping i15 set OK, but no chance (well maybe 1 shot out of 4) with the Speed Blades 4-iron. Even the 5-iron (23 degrees) is about the same as my Ping 4-iron (24 degrees) in terms of being easy to hit. Maybe Taylor Made clubs should also come with a health warning! :mmm:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I could just about hit the 4-iron in my Ping i15 set OK, but no chance (well maybe 1 shot out of 4) with the Speed Blades 4-iron. Even the 5-iron (23 degrees) is about the same as my Ping 4-iron (24 degrees). Maybe Taylor Made clubs should also come with a health warning! :mmm:

But TM, Wilson and others have been cranking lofts for years and there's been plenty on here over the years to that effect so it shouldn't have come as that much of a surprise surely?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I could just about hit the 4-iron in my Ping i15 set OK, but no chance (well maybe 1 shot out of 4) with the Speed Blades 4-iron. Even the 5-iron (23 degrees) is about the same as my Ping 4-iron (24 degrees) in terms of being easy to hit. Maybe Taylor Made clubs should also come with a health warning! :mmm:

Once again - research and asking questions would have given you an idea

Blaming Taylor Made doesn't change you making the error

 

[BTatHome]

Delc, don't assume Ping are innocent. Have you seen the specs of the Karsten irons?

 

[Foxholer]

I could just about hit the 4-iron in my Ping i15 set OK, but no chance (well maybe 1 shot out of 4) with the Speed Blades 4-iron. Even the 5-iron (23 degrees) is about the same as my Ping 4-iron (24 degrees) in terms of being easy to hit. Maybe Taylor Made clubs should also come with a health warning! :mmm:

So did you avail yourself of the money back guarantee? Or swap it for a hybrid?

Another poor decision?

 

[Imurg]

I could just about hit the 4-iron in my Ping i15 set OK, but no chance (well maybe 1 shot out of 4) with the Speed Blades 4-iron. Even the 5-iron (23 degrees) is about the same as my Ping 4-iron (24 degrees) in terms of being easy to hit. Maybe Taylor Made clubs should also come with a health warning! :mmm:

Although the lofts are strong, they are designed to be easier to use than long irons from far back in the mists of time. Low CoG means a higher launch.
The fact that you can't use a modern 20°4 iron is probably more to do with you thinking you can't hit one rather than it being a stronger loft. You're probably trying to help it into the air and putting a dodgy swing on it rather than swinging normally and letting the tech actually help you.

 

[delc]

If you can't sort out distances in the first half dozen holes at your place, then there's no point trying to work out distances at all!

Problem is that our course is on the side of a hill overlooking the Colne Valley and very exposed, and it almost always seems to be windy there, even when it's flat calm everywhere else. Calm days, when you can accurately check your basic distances are about as rare as hen's teeth! :mmm:

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Problem is that our course is on the side of a hill overlooking the Colne Valley and very exposed, and it almost always seems to be windy there, even when it's flat calm everywhere else. Calm days, when you can accurately check your basic distances are about as rare as hen's teeth! :mmm:

I'm sorry but I'm sure you could find somewhere, even someone with a launch monitor, and get some average numbers. There must be some holes that are more sheltered

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Problem is that our course is on the side of a hill overlooking the Colne Valley and very exposed, and it almost always seems to be windy there, even when it's flat calm everywhere else. Calm days, when you can accurately check your basic distances are about as rare as hen's teeth! :mmm:

If your course is always windy, then surely the best place to test them is in the wind on the course you play most often?

 

[delc]

So did you avail yourself of the money back guarantee? Or swap it for a hybrid?

Another poor decision?

I have replaced it for everyday use with a TM RBZ2 5-hybrid which I bought quite cheaply as an ex-demo club on ebay. That goes about the right distance and is very easy to hit.

 

[Foxholer]

Problem is that our course is on the side of a hill overlooking the Colne Valley and very exposed, and it almost always seems to be windy there, even when it's flat calm everywhere else. Calm days, when you can accurately check your basic distances are about as rare as hen's teeth! :mmm:

Had experienced several calm days at your place, along with a couple of breezy ones. That's why I stated the 1st 6 holes - you've done 360* via 3 different directions by the 6th green. Sitting out on the terrace watching the sun go down at your place after a round is normally extremely pleasant!

You really just seem to be looking for excuses!

And still haven't answered my question - repeated yet again - about the money back guarantee!

 

[delc]

Although the lofts are strong, they are designed to be easier to use than long irons from far back in the mists of time. Low CoG means a higher launch.
The fact that you can't use a modern 20°4 iron is probably more to do with you thinking you can't hit one rather than it being a stronger loft. You're probably trying to help it into the air and putting a dodgy swing on it rather than swinging normally and letting the tech actually help you.

The TM 5-iron with 23 degrees of loft is marginally easier to hit than the Ping 4-iron with 24 degrees of loft! :mmm:

 

[delc]

Had experienced several calm days at your place, along with a couple of breezy ones. That's why I stated the 1st 6 holes - you've done 360* via 3 different directions by the 6th green. Sitting out on the terrace watching the sun go down at your place after a round is normally extremely pleasant!

You really just seem to be looking for excuses!

And still haven't answered my question - repeated yet again - about the money back guarantee!

No I haven't availed myself of the money back guarantee, because there's nothing wrong with it, apart from my inabilty to hit it!

 

[Foxholer]

No I haven't availed myself of the money back guarantee, because there's nothing wrong with it, apart from my inabilty to hit it!

Just checked..not available for Custom Fits.

Even more of a reason to get it right during the fit! And you only tried the PW and 7i! Caveat emptor!

 

[delc]

Just checked..not available for Custom Fits.

Even more of a reason to get it right during the fit! And you only tried the PW and 7i! Caveat emptor!

What isn't available for custom fits? I think most demo clubs only come as 7-irons, and I was probably lucky to be able to try out a PW.

 

[Foxholer]

What isn't available for custom fits? I think most demo clubs only come as 7-irons, and I was probably lucky to be able to try out a PW.

Do you ever read properly what people write? Or do you just make up what you think they might have wrote?

Wow! If there's ever a case of Pot and Kettle!!! :rofl:

A classic example!

For the sake of my sanity, I'm out - to watch some football!

 

[delc]

A classic example!

For the sake of my sanity, I'm out - to watch some football!

If you mean that a money back guarantee is not available for custom fitted clubs, where does it say that on their website. I did have a minor problem with one of the wedges and that was sorted out under guarantee.