garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
so its perfectly fine to do what I have been doing! :swing:
D
Deleted member 15344
Guest
Just watching Rose chip onto the 18th and both Westwood and Mannessaro left their balls near the hole and if Rose had hit either ball it would have assisted him greatly - so why didn't they mark them and are they guilty of breaking this rule 22-1 ?
palindromicbob
Tour Winner
there is no requirement to mark. the brrech comes if the players agree to leave the balls to assist. if you see and think it will assist you can keep your trap shut. if either had gone to mark and he'd requested they dont then dq
if nothing agreed then game on.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Here's the text of the Rule. Read it carefully but literally - noting the use, and effect, of the words 'may', 'might' and 'must'!
22-1. Ball Assisting Play
Except when a ball is in motion, if a player considers that a ball might assist any other player, he may:
a. Lift the ball if it is his ball; or
b. Have any other ball lifted.
A ball lifted under this Rule must be replaced (see Rule 20-3). The ball must not be cleaned, unless it lies on the putting green (see Rule 21).
In stroke play, a player required to lift his ball may play first rather than lift the ball.
In stroke play, if the Committee determines that competitors have agreed not to lift a ball that might assist any competitor, they are disqualified.
Note: When another ball is in motion, a ball that might influence the movement of the ball in motion must not be lifted.
22-2. Ball Interfering With Play
Except when a ball is in motion, if a player considers that another ball might interfere with his play, he may have it lifted.
A ball lifted under this Rule must be replaced (see Rule 20-3). The ball must not be cleaned, unless it lies on the putting green (see Rule 21).
In stroke play, a player required to lift his ball may play first rather than lift the ball.
Note 1: Except on the putting green, a player may not lift his ball solely because he considers that it might interfere with the play of another player. If a player lifts his ball without being asked to do so, he incurs a penalty of one stroke for a breach of Rule 18-2a, but there is no additional penalty under Rule 22.
Note 2: When another ball is in motion, a ball that might influence the movement of the ball in motion must not be lifted.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.
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HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
The marking or not isn't the issue, it isn't compulsory after all. The issue comes when players agree to leave a ball in place in order to benefit one or both of them. If nothing is said, there's no issue.
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
this is where I got the impression it was good etiquette to leave a ball that may assist someone. the same would be done for you but no words need to be exchanged. I gathered that it was the done thing unless requested to have it marked.
like a gentlemen's loop hole!
HawkeyeMS
Ryder Cup Winner
this is where I got the impression it was good etiquette to leave a ball that may assist someone. the same would be done for you but no words need to be exchanged. I gathered that it was the done thing unless requested to have it marked.
like a gentlemen's loop hole!
Why would you want to assist someone you are trying to beat?
