rulie
Head Pro
It's the point where the ball crossed the edge of the
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Lateral relief but it has to be nearer the hole?
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rulie
Head Pro
Yes, you are correct. Penalty area relief does not include stance relief from the penalty area, ie, you can stand in the penalty area after taking penalty relief.
Steven Rules
Well-known member
And to be very precise, down at the magnifying glass level, it is on the very edge of the line, where the line (in this scenario) interfaces with the general area.
For the benefit of those readers who may not already be aware, the line itself is in the penalty area.
Steven Rules
Well-known member
Voyager's diagram in #13 depicts it pretty well. Your diagram in #14 is on the right track but your yellow radius line needs to be depicted as just touching the greenside edge of the red line.
salfordlad
Well-known member
Yes, indeed it is beyond "can" stand in the penalty area, that ball in the relief area is in play and cannot be dropped again. In practice, it may mean the player has little choice but to stand in the penalty area.
I know you know this, the comment is for SILH's benefit.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Thankyou. The additional clarifications this gives me is that it is wrong for me to think that I must be able to take a stance only outside of the PA when I am identifying the penalty drop area, and I do not need to be standing outside of the PA when taking my stance after taking a penalty drop. I don’t think I knew that - though on reflection I think I’ve been told.
We’ve only in the last year or so had any PAs in play on our course (we had no water hazards of any sort)…at least so far as taking a penalty drop was a realistic or practical option - and as I play most of my golf at my own place and have only gone in any of the new PAs maybe once or twice, my understanding of the rules around PAs is shaky.
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woofers
Medal Winner
Could you clarify the sentences I’ve highlighted please?
In terms of course marking, do you believe they have screwed up by marking it as red instead of yellow? This would be borne out by Committee Procedures, (2) Course Marking for General Play (C) Penalty Areas (4) :
(4) Whether to Mark a Penalty Area as Red or Yellow
Most penalty areas should be marked red to give players the additional option of lateral relief (see Rule 17.1d(3)). However, where part of the challenge of the hole is to carry over a penalty area such as a stream that crosses the front of the putting green and there is a good chance that a ball that carries over the stream could fall back into it, the Committee may decide to mark the penalty area as yellow. This ensures that a ball that lands on the far side of the penalty area before rolling back into the penalty area cannot be dropped on the far side under the lateral relief option.When a penalty area is marked yellow, the Committee should ensure that a player will always be able to drop back-on-the-line under Rule 17.1d(2) or consider adding a dropping zone for the penalty area so that a player would have an option other than stroke and distance.
A Committee does not have to mark any penalty areas yellow. For simplicity, a Committee may decide to mark all penalty areas red so there is no confusion for players as to what relief options are available.
If not a yellow penalty area, how should the red line be put into a place that would preclude this outcome?
salfordlad
Well-known member
It's not a red/yellow thing. You make the red line curve in a way that avoids a situation of no relief being available because there is no where that is not closer to the hole than a point of crossing. And if you can't do that for some constraint (you usually can) then you can create a Dropping Zone as an alternate way to ensure a player is not forced into stroke and distance.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Dropping Zones can be very useful in many difficult relief situations.
