Free Relief or not

Which is what I'd have thought and why it is...now why there might be a context that would make that not so I cannot see - however I have asked then question of the club if they can see.
 
The course-side fence is the immediate problem. There is interference from the fence.
The Rule simply says:
When Relief is Allowed
An abnormal course condition physically interferes with the player's intended stance or area of intended swing.
EOS

I don't think that is the end of the story. Relief from the fence is not automatic - one has to consider Rule 16.1a(3) - No Relief When Clearly Unreasonable.
 
I don't think that is the end of the story. Relief from the fence is not automatic - one has to consider Rule 16.1a(3) - No Relief When Clearly Unreasonable.
I'm not convinced that such a situation exists here. The ball is not directly affected by any other condition. But if the R&A said it does, I wouldn't argue.
 
I'm not convinced that such a situation exists here. The ball is not directly affected by any other condition. But if the R&A said it does, I wouldn't argue.
However, the stance or area of intended swing may well be affected. Suppose the ball is within two inches of the fence (on the course side) for a right-handed player - would a stroke be clearly unreasonable because of the hedge?
 
However, the stance or area of intended swing may well be affected. Suppose the ball is within two inches of the fence (on the course side) for a right-handed player - would a stroke be clearly unreasonable because of the hedge?
A stoke played away from the hole (ie backwards) would not be unreasonable but could well have interference from the fence and not the hedge.
 
However, the stance or area of intended swing may well be affected. Suppose the ball is within two inches of the fence (on the course side) for a right-handed player - would a stroke be clearly unreasonable because of the hedge?
In the majority of situations where the fence currently prevents any form of stoke, the same would apply were the fence not there…the hedge would prevent the stroke. There are many times where a ball is far enough from the fence and hedge for a proper stroke to be made, but the fence prevents what the player might consider an ideal stroke. At the moment he can take a stance that results in the club hitting the fence and so he gets free relief and can then play his ideal stroke.
 
Handicap (and Rules) Sec wants the hedge (plus fence) either declared an Integral Object or OoB moved to course side of it. Thinks free relief from it is a (bit of a) nonsense. Some resistance from elsewhere in club - probably thinking it’s too easy for a wayward shot to end up close to the hedge so would be unfair to have to take a penalty drop. It might be easy but I doubt it’s that common.
 
The status of this area is simply whatever the Committee wants it to be, they determine the challenge of the golf course and the course is rated to that challenge. Choice is integral (ie you're on your own sport), penalty relief if you wish to escape the spot, or free relief.
 
Rules Committees should make it easy for players to play within the Rules. Making it OOB or Integral accomplishes that goal.
Doing what is "common" may be easy, but it may not be within the Rules.
 
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Rules Committees should make it easy for players to play within the Rules. Making it OOB or Integral accomplishes that goal.
Doing what is "common" may be easy, but it may not be within the Rules.
Absolutely…our Comp and Rules Sec sees it that way, as well as thinking that getting free relief in the scenario is too far along the spectrum of ā€˜getting away with it’ or ā€˜the rules helping’. But the Gents and Ladies committees apparently feel it unfair that a penalty drop would very often need to be taken. I agree with our C&R sec…tough..just don’t hit your ball over there.

Anyway the issue will disappear in a couple of years time as the hole is being massively changed and the 150yds of fairway that the hedge borders will no longer be in play.

Thanks (as ever) to all for your thoughts on the matter šŸ‘
 
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