Nobody knows the rules!

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

yes - there's an idea. Three ball in a comp. Decide who the three of you are going to try and get to win. First two try out different clubs and different types of shots or lines on the green prior to their man having a go having all the guidance from his buddies on club, line, length etc. Rather obvious why it's not a stupid rule when you think about it.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm thinking that perhaps club manufacturers should be required by the powers that be to stamp an accurate number of degrees on their clubs, rather than meaningless numbers! :mmm:

Scratch did that a few years ago.

Ryan Moore had a set with 5* steps rather than traditional 4* ones.

Back to numbers now though.

 

[kozmos]

You are only allowed to search for a ball for 5 minutes!

which of course I will make a point of if need be :thup:

 

[dontfancythisputt]

A situation that always gets me and one I have never found a definate answer to:

Individual stroke play comp:

Player A tees of into the sun, turns and asks the group "did anyone see it?"

Player B replies " yer its in the rough on the right"

Advice asked for? Advice given?

Player A then asks " should I hit a provisional? "

Player C replies " yes, probably best as its bad over there"

Again advice asked for? Advice given?

In both cases I see how the replies could influence a players next shot. But never 100% sure.

I guess if question on it id say first point is ok second point not so.

 

[CMAC]

A situation that always gets me and one I have never found a definate answer to:

Individual stroke play comp:

Player A tees of into the sun, turns and asks the group "did anyone see it?"

Player B replies " yer its in the rough on the right" Fact

Advice asked for? Advice given?

Player A then asks " should I hit a provisional? " advice

Player C replies " yes, probably best as its bad over there" advice

Again advice asked for? Advice given?

In both cases I see how the replies could influence a players next shot. But never 100% sure.

I guess if question on it id say first point is ok second point not so.

my thoughts as I see it without checking rules

 

[JCW]

I don't ask what club they hit as everyone is different but sometimes you do get someone who hits it almost the same then I sneak a look at the club as he puts it back in the bag , if anyone ask me what club I just tell them l that its against the rules to do so . One rule that is often broken is standing directly behind the line of a putt to see the break as on the same line as your putt , you are not allowed to do this , you can stand at an angle and moved in behind the line after the putt is struck , I don't claim to know most of the rules but know enough to get by ...................................EYG

 

[HawkeyeMS]

my thoughts as I see it without checking rules

I concur

 

[Foxholer]

One rule that is often broken is standing directly behind the line of a putt to see the break as on the same line as your putt , you are not allowed to do this , you can stand at an angle and moved in behind the line after the putt is struck , I don't claim to know most of the rules but know enough to get by ...................................EYG

Er. Wrong!

You are allowed, unless the player objects.

14-2b covers Caddies and Partners - anywhere btw.

It is however, covered in Etiquette and if the Player objects can ultimately result in a DQ by the 'offender'. If, however, the player does not object, there is no penalty - unlike if Caddie/Partner does it (2SP/LoH).

The standing to an angle, then moving to the line simply eliminates any potential etiquette objection, but is not a requirement.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

A situation that always gets me and one I have never found a definate answer to:

Individual stroke play comp:

Player A tees of into the sun, turns and asks the group "did anyone see it?"

Player B replies " yer its in the rough on the right"

Advice asked for? Advice given?

Player A then asks " should I hit a provisional? "

Player C replies " yes, probably best as its bad over there"

Again advice asked for? Advice given?

In both cases I see how the replies could influence a players next shot. But never 100% sure.

I guess if question on it id say first point is ok second point not so.

I hate playing into the sun and I'm sure most on here. If my partner was going first I would be more than happy to spot for him and tell him where it had gone. I would hope they would do the same for me. Surely has to speed the game up rather than everyone wondering where the hell it went and hitting another (and another until they actually see one go).

 

[Foxholer]

A situation that always gets me and one I have never found a definate answer to:

Individual stroke play comp:

Player A tees of into the sun, turns and asks the group "did anyone see it?"

Player B replies " yer its in the rough on the right"

Advice asked for? Advice given?

Player A then asks " should I hit a provisional? "

Player C replies " yes, probably best as its bad over there"

Again advice asked for? Advice given?

In both cases I see how the replies could influence a players next shot. But never 100% sure.

I guess if question on it id say first point is ok second point not so.

I don't believe either of those are advice.

However, I'd phrase my C's statement differently. 'If you think it might be lost, then a Provisional makes sense' is my phrase.

 

[JCW]

Er. Wrong!

You are allowed, unless the player objects.

14-2b covers Caddies and Partners - anywhere btw.

It is however, covered in Etiquette and if the Player objects can ultimately result in a DQ by the 'offender'. If, however, the player does not object, there is no penalty - unlike if Caddie/Partner does it (2SP/LoH).

The standing to an angle, then moving to the line simply eliminates any potential etiquette objection, but is not a requirement.

If its allowed , explain to me why in the pro game the caddies always move away just before the pro makes the stroke , 4BBB matchplay or foursomes is ok granted , in medal it is not , you don't see the pros do it , maybe they do in your killing fields ..........

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If its allowed , explain to me why in the pro game the caddies always move away just before the pro makes the stroke , 4BBB matchplay or foursomes is ok granted , in medal it is not , you don't see the pros do it , maybe they do in your killing fields ..........

They move away because they have good etiquette obviously.

I'm sure if it is against the rules to stand behind a putt of a FC you will be able to point out the relevant rule

 

[delc]

If its allowed , explain to me why in the pro game the caddies always move away just before the pro makes the stroke , 4BBB matchplay or foursomes is ok granted , in medal it is not , you don't see the pros do it , maybe they do in your killing fields ..........

If you have a rule book or access to the R&A or USGA websites, check out rule 14-2b. In fact, to make it easy for you, I'll copy it over:

b. Positioning of Caddie or Partner Behind Ball
A player must not make a stroke with his caddie, his partner or his partner's caddie positioned on or close to an extension of the line of play or line of putt behind the ball.
Exception: There is no penalty if the player’s caddie, his partner or his partner's caddie is inadvertently located on or close to an extension of the line of play or line of putt behind the ball.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-1 or 14-2:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

By the way, this does not apply to fellow competitors, who can stand where they like subject to good etiquette. The practice of a caddie lining up the player from behind the line of play and then moving away at the last moment seems to be more prevalent on the Ladies Tours and particularly for lady Korean players.

 

[Foxholer]

If its allowed , explain to me why in the pro game the caddies always move away just before the pro makes the stroke , 4BBB matchplay or foursomes is ok granted , in medal it is not , you don't see the pros do it , maybe they do in your killing fields ..........

Read my post again - a little more carefully.

Caddies - covered by 14-2b

FC - Etiquette not a rule. No Penalty if player doesn't object.

Pros obey etiquette!

And not MY Killing Fields! You seem to be the one more likely to encourage them!

 

[delc]

Read my post again - a little more carefully.

Caddies - covered by 14-2b

FC - Etiquette not a rule. No Penalty if player doesn't object.

Pros obey etiquette!

And not MY Killing Fields! You seem to be the one more likely to encourage them!

Rule 14-2b also applies to playing partners and their caddies!

If a fellow competitor stands directly behind my line I would probably ask him to move as it is a bit distracting, but he incurs no penalties, except possibly for poor etiquette for a number of repeat offences, and neither do I.

 

[Foxholer]

Rule 14-2b also applies to playing partners and their caddies!

If a fellow competitor stands directly behind my line I would probably ask him to move as it is a bit distracting, but he incurs no penalties, except possibly for poor etiquette for a number of repeat offences, and neither do I.

My Granny could suck eggs as well as Rosecott's probably could!

Though, given that it's not 'an offence' the bold bit makes no sense (on its own).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Rule 14-2b also applies to playing partners and their caddies!

If a fellow competitor stands directly behind my line I would probably ask him to move as it is a bit distracting, but he incurs no penalties, except possibly for poor etiquette for a number of repeat offences, and neither do I.

Do you read what other people have posted ?

 

[delc]

Do you read what other people have posted ?

Just trying to clarify the rule.

 

[Foxholer]

Just trying to clarify the rule.

Well you didn't! At least not the FC side of it (the Etiquette).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Just trying to clarify the rule.

And failed !