Nani red card!

Not posted on here for a long time having been working away but have just watched the match and that was never a Red card in a million years, not a Utd fan either and quite happy to see them stuffed in their own back yard but they have got a right to feel aggrieved by the ref for once
 
Regardless of the red card, utd had 30mins to see that game out and Ferguson's tactics to carry on playing as they were wrong.

Why not get 10 men behind the ball and deny Madrid space and see the game out.

If that was Madrid down to 10 men they would've made sure they didn't concede again.
 
If the ref had sent off Arbeloa for the high and dangerous challenge on Evra in the first half he wouldnt have been in the way when Nani tried to control the ball.

- No-one else mentioned it in the after match commentary, if your saying Nanis wasn't - surely this wasn't either.

United also should have had a penalty in injury time for Ramos' challenge on Evra (I think it was).

- And madrid should have had one for Rafael's handball. Vidic should have had one as well, BTW.

The ref probably cost United the game but hey ho at least they can concentrate on once again winning the league, which is without doubt the most important competition


- Not for Ferguson it isn't - he is obsessed with Bob Paisley's 3, and Liverpool's 5 too much.
 
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The bottom line is the ref has to make a decision on what he saw, he does not have the luxury of multiple replays from different angles. If you put a referee in a position where he has to make a big decision like that then there is the chance for him to get it wrong.

[h=1]Law 12 - fouls and misconduct[/h]
[h=3]Sending-off offences[/h]A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:

  • serious foul play
  • violent conduct
  • spitting at an opponent or any other person
  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
  • denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
  • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
  • receiving a second caution in the same match



A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area.

That is the ruling regarding red cards. If the referee has seen it as the one I have highlighted then he made the correct decision.

Nani had his boot well above waist height with his studs showing, that you can't argue with. So is it not serious foul play?

I think it was harsh but I can see why the ref sent him off.
 
if there going to start sending players off for trying to control the ball, the abandon game at 7 players rule might need reviewing!

i cannot see how that is a red card anyday of the week for any team.

As pointed out i did hamper Uniteds chances of seeing the game out and going through but wasnt to be, move on to trying to beat Chelsea on sunday now.

LB think you are correct for all Fergies acivements and "knocking off the perch" :lol: he has come up short in europe time and time again and think he knows that the 5-3 gap should of been closed out by now. At least the other ones are looking like increasing :rofl:
 
So the concensus is he shouldn't have been sent off as he didn't mean it (as far as I can make out) what about these penalties that are given when a player is late to the ball and takes the man out, should these be given.

I don't see what the fuss is, his boot was high and his studs were showing and he hit the opposition player with his foot above waist height. Red card every day if the week, I'd go as far to say Nani had a fly dig at the player too once he realised he was there
 
Everyone keeps mentioning the word "intent"! If you listening to the panel, all ex-footballers and Roy Keane a manager also and very much a red, he states clearly that "intent" is irrelevant and agreed the decision was right.

If that challenge had been on a United player they would have been baying for blood and a sending off.

Lets just focus now on Ferdinand getting reprimanded for clapping in front of the refs face at the end, which he could have still been sent off for at that time.
 
Cant really say the ref cost them the game when Rafael tipped one off the line which would of been a red card and a penalty to boot. Fergie running down the steps like a lemon tickled me too. Its different when somebody does it back to you isnt Fergie? :rofl:
 
Fish said:
Everyone keeps mentioning the word "intent"! If you listening to the panel, all ex-footballers and Roy Keane a manager also and very much a red, he states clearly that "intent" is irrelevant and agreed the decision was right.

If that challenge had been on a United player they would have been baying for blood and a sending off.

Lets just focus now on Ferdinand getting reprimanded for clapping in front of the refs face at the end, which he could have still been sent off for at that time.
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It was scary to find myself agreeing with Roy Keane on pretty much every point he made!
 
richart said:
Sorry but that was not a red card. Eyes on the ball and tried to volley it. How many times do you see someone try a bicycle kick, nearly take someones head of, but get sent off.:mad: Ruined the game, and I personally would rather see a British team win, than a Spanish one.

If Roy Keane thought was a sending off, then he is judging by his own standards when it would have been intentional. Struggle to think of a more obnoxious footballer, and his expert analysis is no better. Seems to be looking for a fight even in the commentary box.
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You took the words out of my mouth.
 
If I were a Utd supporter I would be angry at Nani this morning. Not because he tried to harm the player (because I dont think that he did) but he should of known better. As a seasoned professional why risk doing something that could be possibly penalised with a red card? He must have known that with his foot that high and studs showing that there was a fair chance that it could go the way it did.

Middle of the park, 1-0 up and coasting.

Verdict.

Nani's fault for being brainless.

(Ref only did what 50% of any other ref would have done, Fergie and Ferdinand reaction totally understandable but some of it should be directed at Nani if you ask me - what was he thinking?)
 
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MadAdey said:
  • serious foul play
  • violent conduct
  • spitting at an opponent or any other person
  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)
  • denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick
  • using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
  • receiving a second caution in the same match




That is the ruling regarding red cards. If the referee has seen it as the one I have highlighted then he made the correct decision.

Nani had his boot well above waist height with his studs showing, that you can't argue with. So is it not serious foul play?

I think it was harsh but I can see why the ref sent him off.
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I cant see anything Nani did in that list ,esp not SERIOUS foul play mate , surely serious foul play is TRYING to hurt an opponent ? high boot maybe , but he was trying to control the ball not kick some one , guy came from behind him ..
So overhead and bicycle kicks should be banned ,?
Problem is alot of therse refs have never played the game at a high level , happens in a split second , which i can understand the ref might have trouble seeing , he should take a step back , consult his linesmen etc , get their opinion then make the decision , there is too much at stake in these games now ..

CANT believe im defending utd ..hope ferdinand does get punished for his childish antics tho ..
 
Couldn't see how it is a sending off if its not intentional, Lopez pretty much punched Vidic in the face one one corner when he came for the ball and missed it. Obviously wasn't intentional but should that be a sending off?
 
For me it was soft but understandable when the ref only gets one look at it. Seen these given before, seen even worse ones than that. Certainly not worth the hysteria from united fans (and media).
 
As has already been said overhead scissor/bicycle kicks in crowded penalty boxes go unpunished week in week out... And how about the two fisted attack on the ball that nearly took off Vidic's head... How is that not dangerous play.... Straight red I don't think so...

Oh, and Ferdinand should be getting a minimum three match ban for his post match 'antics'...
 
If the boot was on the other foot (no pun intended) and it was a Utd player getting studs in the guts by a flying kung fu kick. Fergie would have been screaming from the roof tops for a red card or return of the death penalty. He is the biggest hypocrite in the game, and had no bottle to face TV cameras after the game


Keane was the only man talking sense last night. The game wasn’t spoilt for me, only for Utd fans, and that was Nani’s fault, not the ref for doing his job in such an overwhelming hostile atmosphere. Now that’s bottle
 
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