Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Damn!! I just won a fourball voucher for Muirfield and was going to post in "arrange a game" looking for 3 players to join me for £25.00 each.
I guess you don't want to come?
Muirfield, women, the R&A and The Open
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Damn!! I just won a fourball voucher for Muirfield and was going to post in "arrange a game" looking for 3 players to join me for £25.00 each.
I guess you don't want to come?
lobthewedge
Challenge Tour Pro
Sorry if my drivel offended you, its a Friday afternoon, lighten the hell up!
I just know that I was entirely underwhelmed by Muirfield, and wouldn't rush back to play it. All about opinions, even if they are drivel!
cliveb
Head Pro
On the contrary, I have played plenty of foursomes. (Indeed my wife & I happen to be the current holders of our club's mixed foursomes trophy - not that we are likely to retain it this year!). I don't much like the format, partly because of the pressure you mention (hitting a bad shot and dumping your wife's brand new ball in a pond can result in a tense atmosphere :angry
, but mainly because you just don't get into a good rhythm and only get to play half a round. I've played in foursomes matches where I haven't got to use my putter for the first 5 holes!My point was that if Muirfield insist on their members playing foursomes, that's a club I wouldn't want to join (and would have thought nor would many others).
lobthewedge
Challenge Tour Pro
Would sooner give my money to Trumpberry, the views are better.
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I'm not a bigot, I simply believe that private organisations should be entitled to set their own rules. As someone pointed out, there are as many female only golf clubs (and no doubt other organisations) as men only ones. I don't have any issue with them either.
Bigot is quite a strong, offensive word. You shouldn't really call people that.
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Fine, just say that you personally did not rate it.
Don't suggest that a course is over-rated when it is consistently ranked in the top two or three in the British Isles and, as I said, regarded by many "experts" as probably the best on the Open roster.
Personally I have never enjoyed my rounds on the West Course at Wentworth or Birkdale but that does not make them over-rated by the many who hold them in high regard.
I agree,def not overrated, its a fantastic course, my personal favorite
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Interestingly, I played it in a group of 12. Good course but everyone was a bit underwhelmed by it.
lobthewedge
Challenge Tour Pro
I'll be sure to PM you any opinions I may have in future before I actually post them. This is just in case you are not happy with the content or tone. I will be grateful if you could also cross reference my opinions with those of current experts and polls, heaven forbid I should go against the grain and have a differing point of view.
For the record, and just to clear up my original post, I do not believe all members at Muirfield to be 'Disheveled', 'Incontinent' or 'Coffin Dodgers'. I am sure some of them are lovely chaps, and their clubhouse doesn't look or smell like a 'nursing home'. This was a poor and misguided attempt at humour on a Friday afternoon for which I am truly sorry.
Thankyou for keeping me on the straight and narrow.
Foxholer
Blackballed
On the contrary, I have played plenty of foursomes. (Indeed my wife & I happen to be the current holders of our club's mixed foursomes trophy - not that we are likely to retain it this year!). I don't much like the format, partly because of the pressure you mention (hitting a bad shot and dumping your wife's brand new ball in a pond can result in a tense atmosphere :angry
My point was that if Muirfield insist on their members playing foursomes, that's a club I wouldn't want to join (and would have thought nor would many others).
They only insist on Foursomes for the afternoon rounds!
Not really. A bigot is someone who is intolerant and unwilling to change opinion. There's plenty of bigotry in nearly every forum!
That wasn't an opinion I was querying, and in fact have stated I agree with that. Just like I agree with the R&A being allowed to choose who is and is not on the Open roster.
The bigotry accusation was levelled at your views on what constitutes discrimination and is one I stand by. If you're offended by that then so be it, many more would be offended by your bigotry attitude than a word.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Yeah right....That's at least the 4th or 5th different club I've heard that story about!
As for PA's comments... He's absolutely correct about the origins of some Golf Clubs (or Societies/Companies as they were called) , particularly Scottish ones! Merchants is an obvious example, bur HCEG had its origin in Military and Legal streams of Edinburgh society, Duddingston was Banking and Insurance and there were others that I've forgotten (like Royal Burgess and Bruntsfield). I seem to remember that Musselburgh, later Royal Musselburgh, was originally predominately Fishing (and other merchants) - and there was a Musselburgh Ladies society there also! Blackheath in London was originally formed by (Scottish) courtiers of James VI/I.
And I actually rate it as one of the top 3 courses I've played - along with Carnoustie (most brutal), Royal Birkdale (the greatest 'test') Muirfield is the 'most pleasurable' for me, especially with the Lunch/Clubhouse experience. The clubhouse is, or at least 'was' actually pretty much an open changing room, so Anne in the office probably got used to seeing towel wrapped wrinklies wandering about! The silverware and paintings on display are simply amazing - certainly from a historical point of view!
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Dave3498
Q-School Graduate
Almost right. A bigot is not being asked to change opinion, he/she is simple being asked to listen to other people's opinions. I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend with my life, your right to say it.' is not a statement with which a bigot would agree.
played it a fair few times now and every time i enjoy it more.
playing again later on in the year.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Foxholer
Blackballed
While i might lean a little towards the above (as edited by me), I'm definitely in agreement with....
At least in textual form, where other methods of communication are not available!
'Intransigent' might be a better word to use! Similar meaning, without the stigma/offense attached to 'bigot'!
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Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I think the person is exhibiting what is called 'empathy'. You don't need to be black, homosexual or Jewish to understand that equating the fact you can't buy a Porshe or afford to play at a golf club is in any way equivalent to being discriminated against due to your sex, colour or religion is frankly absurd.
Not sure anyone has argued with the fact that technically they can do what they like.
DCB
Well-known member
Guys, let's keep it on track and civil please. We don't want a good thread to drop off over the edge of the abyss.
I would suggest that it FAR more offensive to compare relatively moderate differences in wealth with genuine discrimination, and then reaffirm that point in an ongoing basis in the face of facts.
That being said, point taken and noted, thanks.
@Dave3498 - I agree with your last sentence, but not quite the first part. You're almost right though. 😜
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