Muirfield, women, the R&A and The Open

Smiffy said:
Good, innit???
Good luck to them if they want to stay men only.
Breath of fresh air in this politically correct world of ours.
They don't like it up 'em.
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Agree that they definitely should not allow women as members to be politically correct, that'd be more tragic

Didn't think a sufficient number actually wanted women in the club but did think enough would not have a good reason to exclude them any longer

C'est la vie
 
Still, I think we can all agree that with this, and the inevitable media uproar when the Open starts in Troon this year who also follow the same antiquated policy, it will do the perception of golf no end of good.

Meanwhile, in a dark room, 1000s of hard working people who are doing their very best to make the game more inclusive are crying gently to themselves.
 
Also can I point out that equality of the sexes is not really something you should strive for as it is ' politically correct' . It's just basic human decency.

But then again what would you expect from a yurt eating liberal lefty.
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
That might be true but the R&A can't have a charter that includes having the game open to all then have their premier event at a club that doesn't allow women to join

It would be hypocritical of them.
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Troon don't allow lady members and the Open is there this year!!

The game is open to all, but Muirfieilds membership has restrictions and there's plenty of other courses who have the same.

This decision by the R&A to remove Muirfield from the open rota based on who they let join is pathetic. PC gone mad.
 
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Stuart_C said:
The game is open to all, but Muirfieilds membership has restrictions and there's plenty of other courses who have the same.

This decision by the R&A to remove Muirfield from the open rota based on who they let join is pathetic. PC gone mad.
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So it's not open to all at Muirfield then which goes against what the R&A are wanting with the game to be more inclusive ( as opposed to be Politically correct )

And any other course that has the same restrictions will no longer host an Open. Troon are having a vote to allow lady member and are expected to allow them even though there is a ladies club at Troon ( expect to merge )

Their restrictions are based purely on the sex of the person - that to me is outdated and wrong
 
I'm not sure why people are getting wound up by Muirfield' s decision. So the club has membership restrictions but so what, those excluded groups are still welcome to play the course.


Unlike Augusta, maybe they should be stripped of the Masters :whistle:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So it's not open to all at Muirfield then which goes against what the R&A are wanting with the game to be more inclusive ( as opposed to be Politically correct )

And any other course that has the same restrictions will no longer host an Open. Troon are having a vote to allow lady member and are expected to allow them even though there is a ladies club at Troon ( expect to merge )

Their restrictions are based purely on the sex of the person - that to me is outdated and wrong
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Its their course, they shouldn't be told what to do by the R&A. Whether or not it's morally right is another argument, but it's a pathetic decision to remove if not the best course on The Open Championship rota.

If Troon vote against allowing lady members before The Open this year, do you think it should be cancelled?
 
Stuart_C said:
Troon don't allow lady members and the Open is there this year!!

The game is open to all, but Muirfieilds membership has restrictions and there's plenty of other courses who have the same.

This decision by the R&A to remove Muirfield from the open rota based on who they let join is pathetic. PC gone mad.
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But Troon also has the Ladies Golf Club which plays over the same courses. I'm assuming this is similar to St Rule's playing the St Andrews Links
 
Whether PC or not, or sexist or not, or whatever label you want to put on it, it's just naïve and politically stupid. If they'd said yes, how many female golfers would have applied? Do they really think they would have been killed in the rush, or that the current committee would have been overrun with females wanting chintzy curtains. They could have voted yes but managed the influx without upsetting the gin swigging idiots
 
lex! said:
Just seen a bit about it on the news on TV. Showed a bunch of old gits in tweed breeches at the club who could barely make 20 yards off the tee. Wearing the correct regimental tie however. Typical of attitudes north of the border. Little lady stays at haeme.
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Did anyone else notice that one of the old gits looked awffy like Victor from Still Game.:lol:

Re age, I played Muirfield quite a bit in my youth and they had a surprisingly young membership.
 
Stuart_C said:
Its their course, they shouldn't be told what to do by the R&A. Whether or not it's morally right is another argument, but it's a pathetic decision to remove if not the best course on The Open Championship rota.

If Troon vote against allowing lady members before The Open this year, do you think it should be cancelled?
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They aren't being told what to do though

The R&A hasnt told them to allow lady members

The R&A have decided that if the course isn't going to be inclusive then it's not going to hold their premier event because it goes against what they are trying to do

The vote at Troon is after the Open and Troon has a club that allows lady members to play the course
 
Tommo21 said:
The R & A they have a cheek, they've only just let women in themselves and now they're laying it down.
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I think that was the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews, not the R&A. The two are now (since 2004) separate entities. Lots of confusion in the media at the time over that.

http://www.randa.org/TheRandA/AboutTheRandA/About-Us

http://www.randa.org/Heritage/The-Royal-Ancient/The-Royal-Ancient-Golf-Club

Val said:
They are affiliated to St Andrews links in the same way the Honorable Company are now affiliated to Murfield. Regardless of ownership
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Not sure about that. Isn't Muirfield owned by The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers? Their website says they bought the site in 1891. The Old Course is public land managed by the St Andrews Links Trust, a charity set up by Act of Parliament.

In any case as indicated above the R&A is the governing body for Golf and is now completely separate from the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews, which has playing rights at The Old Course. The R&A isn't really a "golf club" at all.

Right decision by the R&A given its aims to promote the game and to make it more inclusive.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
They aren't being told what to do though

The R&A hasnt told them to allow lady members

The R&A have decided that if the course isn't going to be inclusive then it's not going to hold their premier event because it goes against what they are trying to do

The vote at Troon is after the Open and Troon has a club that allows lady members to play the course
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So indirectly they're telling them what to do.

Troon and Troon ladies are two separate clubs, so as membership they're not very inclusive

If Muirfield had voted 80% in favour of allowing female membership, do you honest believe The R&A would've dropped Muirfield off the rota?
 
Stuart_C said:
Its their course, they shouldn't be told what to do by the R&A. Whether or not it's morally right is another argument, but it's a pathetic decision to remove if not the best course on The Open Championship rota.

If Troon vote against allowing lady members before The Open this year, do you think it should be cancelled?
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Sorry Stuey baby. Got to disagree with you now. Absolutely no one is telling the gents at Muirfield what to do. They had a free vote, and made the decision all by themselves. The R&A also made their own decision. No bullying, no coercion, no attempt to drag them into the modern age.

Also, there are plenty of amazing courses that don't host the Open, and some ordinary ones that do. If Troon vote to carry on as currently, then I'd expect them to be removed from the Open rota.
 
It's the members of Muirfield who decide who can be members of their club, likewise it's the R&A who decide where The Open is held.
Can't say that I agree with the members of Muirfield, but it's their club.
 
Stuart_C said:
So indirectly they're telling them what to do.

Troon and Troon ladies are two separate clubs, so as membership they're not very inclusive

If Muirfield had voted 80% in favour of allowing female membership, do you honest believe The R&A would've dropped Muirfield off the rota?
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Muirfield can decide who can be a member of their golf club - no one is telling them any different

The R&A can determine the criteria on which a golf club must adhere too to be able to host the premier golf comp in the sport
 
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