Membership cost increase

[Orikoru]

Surely it depends on the reason why ?

For example if clubs have seen that people are making a mess around their car when they clean their shoes they would rather not see that

but as with everything in life there are rules that an establishment would like to have in place and it’s up to the adults to abide by those rules or go elsewhere

I’m not a fan of wearing socks up to my knees but if it’s a club that I want to play then I’ll abide by that rule ?‍ - that’s the adult way to act , there will always be a golf course that suits everyone’s needs and what rules they want to follow or not follow

It’s the same with restaurants, clubs , shops etc - they all have rules of some sort

Life is full of choices - the initial point was about not judging a whole bunch of clubs based on preconceived ideas

No different to mud coming off my trolley, unless you want me to fold that down in the changing room as well? And would they really rather have mud all over the changing rooms instead of the car park? At least the car park is outdoors.

I know you're a military man but not all of us are into following rules for the sake of rules, that's all. A rule should have logic and reason behind it. And of course we can choose to ignore clubs based on their rules - I assumed that was how the topic went in this direction in the first place.

 

[D-S]

Why would you need to spank someone in the car park?

As you should know, spanking isn’t allowed in the car park - that’s what the changing rooms are for.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No different to mud coming off my trolley, unless you want me to fold that down in the changing room as well? And would they really rather have mud all over the changing rooms instead of the car park? At least the car park is outdoors.

I know you're a military man but not all of us are into following rules for the sake of rules, that's all. A rule should have logic and reason behind it. And of course we can choose to ignore clubs based on their rules - I assumed that was how the topic went in this direction in the first place.

That’s why clubs provide areas for people to clean their trollies and shoes so that the mud and dirt etc is all in one place making it easier to clean up - i would expect any self respecting person to use that area

I follow rules because imo that’s just being respectful, I would hope most grown up adults would follow the rules set out by an establishment when they are visiting - is that not just basic respect and human decency, or is respect something that is getting rare these days.

I would hope when you visit somewhere you would follow the rules they set out as opposed to just ignoring them because you don’t like them

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I’m guessing that the ‘no change shoes in car park’ came from days of metal spikes. Plus my Bristol club had it back when I was a member 80s-mid90s, damage to tarmac paths to clubhouse and 1st tee I assume, plus our 10th tee was immediately adjacent to car park so non-members could change in car park and jump on the course without paying. Change in clubhouse you had to walk past pro-shop window so pro could spot non-members.

These days I tend to change in car park as it’s ok, though tbh when I do I can feel a bit awkward and so often don’t, but I would always change in clubhouse if my clubs or shoes and other gear was in a locker…but we don’t have lockers.

 

[GB72]

That’s why clubs provide areas for people to clean their trollies and shoes so that the mud and dirt etc is all in one place making it easier to clean up - i would expect any self respecting person to use that area

I follow rules because imo that’s just being respectful, I would hope most grown up adults would follow the rules set out by an establishment when they are visiting - is that not just basic respect and human decency, or is respect something that is getting rare these days.

I would hope when you visit somewhere you would follow the rules they set out as opposed to just ignoring them because you don’t like them

Following rule and questioning rules are 2 totally different things. It is perfectly feasible to question rules and to even ridicule them whilst still following them.

That said, change, comes from challenging and questioning the establishment and abhorrent rules and opionions impost by golf clubs have sometimes only changed because people take a stand on them, question them and sometimes intentionally breach them. Changing shoes is really a nothing one way or the other but yes, if I am asked to change in the changing room then I will but the club has to do their bit. If I am a visitor, the club needs to make the rule clear in the car park and not simply be publicised by someone running over yelling and shouting. The club needs to make it clear where the changing rooms are, the club needs to let me know how to get the door code etc. As a visitor, changing in the car park is often just easier because clubs make finding and accessing the changing room difficult.

As for the mantra of 'if you don' like it don't play there', that is exactly what I did and I stopped being a member in part based on the petty attittudes and, if truth be told, 70's social views, that I found around golf clubs. All of that meant I spent at little time as I could at the club off the course and so that, coupled with paying the most to play once a week meant that membership stopped being a thing that I wanted.

 

[Orikoru]

That’s why clubs provide areas for people to clean their trollies and shoes so that the mud and dirt etc is all in one place making it easier to clean up - i would expect any self respecting person to use that area

I follow rules because imo that’s just being respectful, I would hope most grown up adults would follow the rules set out by an establishment when they are visiting - is that not just basic respect and human decency, or is respect something that is getting rare these days.

I would hope when you visit somewhere you would follow the rules they set out as opposed to just ignoring them because you don’t like them

I don't respect rules that don't deserve respect. To tell people they can't change their shoes by the car and instead must walk into the building, change their shoes before walking back to their car again is simply putting people out for the sake of faux importance. There are other rules I think are stupid but I would still abide by them because they don't put me out at all - for example removing one's hat indoors. It's no real effort so I'll take my hat off if required even though that's also a pointless rule based on nothing. I draw the line at the shoes though because it takes me about 10 seconds to change them by my car and harms nobody.

 

[PJ87]

I don't respect rules that don't deserve respect. To tell people they can't change their shoes by the car and instead must walk into the building, change their shoes before walking back to their car again is simply putting people out for the sake of faux importance. There are other rules I think are stupid but I would still abide by them because they don't put me out at all - for example removing one's hat indoors. It's no real effort so I'll take my hat off if required even though that's also a pointless rule based on nothing. I draw the line at the shoes though because it takes me about 10 seconds to change them by my car and harms nobody.

Provide working air guns to get off the mud then the shoes will be clean anyways

 

[SteveW86]

I don't respect rules that don't deserve respect. To tell people they can't change their shoes by the car and instead must walk into the building, change their shoes before walking back to their car again is simply putting people out for the sake of faux importance. There are other rules I think are stupid but I would still abide by them because they don't put me out at all - for example removing one's hat indoors. It's no real effort so I'll take my hat off if required even though that's also a pointless rule based on nothing. I draw the line at the shoes though because it takes me about 10 seconds to change them by my car and harms nobody.

What if it was cold indoors, so you reeally wanted to wear the hat?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Following rule and questioning rules are 2 totally different things. It is perfectly feasible to question rules and to even ridicule them whilst still following them.

I don’t think anyone said that rules can’t be questioned - there is no issue with that , the long sock rule being an example for me - I think that it’s ridiculous

That said, change, comes from challenging and questioning the establishment and abhorrent rules and opionions impost by golf clubs have sometimes only changed because people take a stand on them, question them and sometimes intentionally breach them. Changing shoes is really a nothing one way or the other but yes, if I am asked to change in the changing room then I will but the club has to do their bit. If I am a visitor, the club needs to make the rule clear in the car park and not simply be publicised by someone running over yelling and shouting. The club needs to make it clear where the changing rooms are, the club needs to let me know how to get the door code etc. As a visitor, changing in the car park is often just easier because clubs make finding and accessing the changing room difficult.

As for the mantra of 'if you don' like it don't play there', that is exactly what I did and I stopped being a member in part based on the petty attittudes and, if truth be told, 70's social views, that I found around golf clubs. All of that meant I spent at little time as I could at the club off the course and so that, coupled with paying the most to play once a week meant that membership stopped being a thing that I wanted.

As to say people always have options - if you’re a member you have the chance to challenge and change the rules - we have done it over the years with jeans then trainers in the clubhouse etc.

Application of rules - there is always in life those people that will like to exert authority to demean others , mainly just laugh at them.

Sports clubs always have the cliques and the attitudes etc.

 

[PJ87]

Sports clubs always have the cliques and the attitudes etc.

Does that include the WhatsApp groups ....

 

[hovis]

The people banging shoes in the car park, why aren't they using the foot blower post round?

The fact changing shoes is being discussed at all means it's an issue. I personally think people who insist on changing their shoes in the car park (me included) do it to save a little time but speaking from experience the main reason is to resist against the "multiple rule" establishment.

Golf is full of absolute, up their own ass, pompous, stuck up, self important weapons. I find with all walks of life you find and associate with your own tribe. The people who love the rules, stick to them and adore them are the people I have described above. The people changing their shoes behind the car when no one is looking, having a cheeky little pocket showing on the side of their shorts and wearing non regulation socks are the people I like and associate with.


I'm sure they would have a list about me too ?‍.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't respect rules that don't deserve respect. To tell people they can't change their shoes by the car and instead must walk into the building, change their shoes before walking back to their car again is simply putting people out for the sake of faux importance. There are other rules I think are stupid but I would still abide by them because they don't put me out at all - for example removing one's hat indoors. It's no real effort so I'll take my hat off if required even though that's also a pointless rule based on nothing. I draw the line at the shoes though because it takes me about 10 seconds to change them by my car and harms nobody.

I think we have witnessed that plenty of times even when it comes to golf rules.

If you visit a club the basic requirement is to be respectful and follow their rules - if you decide you can’t even do that then don’t be surprised if you get asked to leave and yes that includes clubs that don’t want to see people changing their shoes in the car park - surely you have a least some sort of respect and decency to follow a club rule ?

 

[Orikoru]

I think we have witnessed that plenty of times even when it comes to golf rules.

If you visit a club the basic requirement is to be respectful and follow their rules - if you decide you can’t even do that then don’t be surprised if you get asked to leave and yes that includes clubs that don’t want to see people changing their shoes in the car park - surely you have a least some sort of respect and decency to follow a club rule ?

1. No we haven't.
2. They are more than welcome to ask me to leave if they happen to catch me during the 10 seconds it takes me to change my shoes next to the boot of my car. Any club that would kick someone out over that is not somewhere I'd want to give money to, so it would be something of a mutual agreement ultimately.

 

[PJ87]

1. No we haven't.
2. They are more than welcome to ask me to leave if they happen to catch me during the 10 seconds it takes me to change my shoes next to the boot of my car. Any club that would kick someone out over that is not somewhere I'd want to give money to, so it would be something of a mutual agreement ultimately.

Change them in your car, that's your property ?

 

[Orikoru]

Change them in your car, that's your property ?

I have done that before actually - just sit in the passenger seat and change them there. I do wonder if that's an acceptable loophole or not, lol.

 

[hovis]

Change them in your car, that's your property ?

We used to do this just to wind the captain and secretary up. My "ex club" had a very strick shoe rule

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Provide working air guns to get off the mud then the shoes will be clean anyways

I was a member at my club for 5 months before someone pointed out where the air gun was, it is hidden between buildings with no signs pointing it out . The next issue, on a muddy day, you blow all of the mud off but the mud has to go somewhere. You inevitably still pick up more mud after you have cleaned your shoes and trolleys. Golf is an outdoor sport, mud goes with the territory.

 

[GB72]

I don’t think anyone said that rules can’t be questioned - there is no issue with that , the long sock rule being an example for me - I think that it’s ridiculous



As to say people always have options - if you’re a member you have the chance to challenge and change the rules - we have done it over the years with jeans then trainers in the clubhouse etc.

Application of rules - there is always in life those people that will like to exert authority to demean others , mainly just laugh at them.

Sports clubs always have the cliques and the attitudes etc.

Actually I have found cliques and petty rule enforcement pretty much unique to golf clubs. I have played and visited rugby clubs, cricket clubs and other sporting clubs the length and breadth of the country and have had none of the experiences that I have had with golf clubs. Never been to a rugby club where they cared where I changed my boots and they carry far more mud than a golf shoe. I will honestly say that golf, in my experience is almost totally unique in the level of petty rules, poor attitudes to families and women and I have heard more racist, sexist and other phobic comments as part of normal conversation in golf clubhouses than I have heard in the baudiest of rugby clubs.

 

[PJ87]

I have done that before actually - just sit in the passenger seat and change them there. I do wonder if that's an acceptable loophole or not, lol.

All the mud collects in your car lol just bang the mat out the door ?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Change them in your car, that's your property ?

For 99% of the golf I play, I put my golf shoes on at home. Some people would have me take a second pair of shoes with me to change in to, just so I could change back in to my golf shoes in the changing rooms!

Maybe there are hidden cameras in the changing rooms so they can check the colour of your socks?