Madeleine McCann

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Liverpoolphil said:
And the friends who also went to check on the kids

I don't trust Kate McCann but I don't believe they directly had a hand in her disappearing - that's pushing the boundaries a little bit because they doesn't appear to be much evidence to back anything like that up
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I'm not saying that, as I stated before, times get stretched, especially after a series of nights and as such the windows of opportunity get larger. As I also said before, when you start to say things over and over, you actually start believing them as true. If the times are correct, the window of opportunity was very small and the precise abduction was a huge risk and if successful was timed unbelievably, it just doesn't sit with me as the activity in that small time frame would have become more compact and more noticeable.
 
As an aside I was speaking with a friend about this just now and he told me that last month he went out to the garage (35 yards from the house) to get a hammer which took him less than 5 minutes. In that time his 4 year old girl climbed on the couch and fell off the back splitting her head open.
At the hospital they asked how it happened and being the honest, law abiding person he is, he told them EXACTLY what happened. He now has an interview with Social Services next Wednesday for an assessment of his ability to look after his child as they state that under no circumstances should that have been allowed to happen.

Heavy handed as hell, however that is what they state the rules are.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Now we really have hit rock bottom.
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I'm sure we haven't and a some posters will find even more depressing ways to express self righteous moral outrage ;)

Any danger of changing the subject? I had a lesson today and it was like an eureka moment. He pointed out I was cupping my right hand too much in the down swing (I am a lefty), gripping too tight and not not cocking my wrist enough at the top of the swing, which was leading to a hooded club face at impact. So after a bit of practice not doing said faults I managed to hit some shots a) a long way, b) straightish and c) with the correct flight for the first time in ages.

He said my swing plane and takeaway were spot on, so I must have been shooting some good scores recently. I didn't have the heart to tell him I struggle to break 100 nowadays, but with my new tips I am a new man and am looking forwards to forgetting it all during the winter. :)

Or what about Scottish Independence, what's that all about? I see TM have a new set of irons out, must mean the day ends in a y, Andy Murray, British sporting hero and nailed on SPOTY.....
 
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GreiginFife said:
As an aside I was speaking with a friend about this just now and he told me that last month he went out to the garage (35 yards from the house) to get a hammer which took him less than 5 minutes. In that time his 4 year old girl climbed on the couch and fell off the back splitting her head open.
At the hospital they asked how it happened and being the honest, law abiding person he is, he told them EXACTLY what happened. He now has an interview with Social Services next Wednesday for an assessment of his ability to look after his child as they state that under no circumstances should that have been allowed to happen.

Heavy handed as hell, however that is what they state the rules are.
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Show me the rule or law that says he can't leave a 4 year old to go 35 yards to the garage on your own property.

Ridiculous and there is not a chance that one isolated event such as that would result in any action.
 
A child has got hurt and it's bad enough to be hospital so they ask what happened and if the child has been hurt whilst being without acceptable supervision then child services get notified and the parents interviewed.

It's called child protection and gets tougher every time a child gets harmed

They will ensure that they child is safe

A parent could say a child tripped etc whilst in the garage when in reality he could have pushed the child etc ( not saying that's true in this case )

When it comes to child protection then it's better to be safe than sorry

This seems a case of just an accident and a parent just taking his eye of the ball for a split second
 
bluewolf said:
Don't really want to get involved in this thread too much, but I'm having a few problems comparing the general consensus on this thread with recent experiences whilst abroad. Having recently returned from a similar type resort as the one in Portugal, My wife and I regularly commented on the actions of a sizable minority of parents. We saw children wandering around unsupervised throughout the day and Night while groups were sat eating/drinking. These children were as young as 2/3 and were seemingly allowed the run of the complex (including 4 Pools) till well after myself, my wife and our 2 young'uns (5&9) went to bed.

I suppose there can only be one explanation. None of the parents were Forum frequenting Golfers...

Maybe my wife and I are overly cautious. We've never left our kids unsupervised, either at home or on holiday. In fact, I can't understand why people wouldn't take their kids out with them at night when abroad. It's one of the things I love about going on holiday. The fact that the kids can come out with us for a meal till late.

Despite this though, I still think that the McCann's should be given a little more compassion than has been shown on here at points. I understand most peoples views, I just disagree with some of them..
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Seems it's a fairly common thing after all.
Going to an awful lot of people being charged with neglect...
 
Hacker Khan said:
Any danger of changing the subject?
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Don't worry, I think people have already done this. There are plenty of other threads where something different is discussed! I've never understood why people go into a thread that a lot of people are contributing in, and moan about how long it is. Maybe you should suggest in the Forum suggestions area of a post limit in threads?
 
Hmm I have 3 stitches in the back of my head after falling off a school bench aged 6 ... Think I'll claim compensation from KCC ! Oh and there are few other times they let me off the leash allowing me to do myself harm. These teachers are rubbish they just don't care for children :whistle:
 
bluewolf said:
Despite this though, I still think that the McCann's should be given a little more compassion than has been shown on here at points. I understand most peoples views, I just disagree with some of them..
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This, this and more of this:thup:

There are too many on here that get off on playing soap box solicitor, when the main case for the prosecution has been lifted directly from Wikipedia or worse, the mail:o

Anyone else who uses 'fact' or 'gut feeling' in a post should have the full weight of moderation brought against them, for crimes against rational argument....FACT (whoops)
 
Ethan said:
Show me the rule or law that says he can't leave a 4 year old to go 35 yards to the garage on your own property.

Ridiculous and there is not a chance that one isolated event such as that would result in any action.
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For him its not about action being taken or not taken. Its the fact he has to go through it because Social Services deem that a child came to harm while in his care. There is no rule on distance by all accounts. The rulea say that the child came to harm serious enough to warrant their visit. Whether we agree with it or not.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
A child has got hurt and it's bad enough to be hospital so they ask what happened and if the child has been hurt whilst being without acceptable supervision then child services get notified and the parents interviewed.

It's called child protection and gets tougher every time a child gets harmed

They will ensure that they child is safe

A parent could say a child tripped etc whilst in the garage when in reality he could have pushed the child etc ( not saying that's true in this case )

When it comes to child protection then it's better to be safe than sorry

This seems a case of just an accident and a parent just taking his eye of the ball for a split second
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Yes, I know what child protection is, but there is no law saying you can't go to the garage with a 4 year old in the house. Certain injuries and patterns of injuries are suggestive (although not diagnostic) of child abuse, but go to any A&E any Saturday afternoon and there will be a classroom's worth of kids with injuries of some sort. Despite the horrify incidents of Baby P other similar cases, these are still rather rare.
 
He hasn't been charged under any "law" though because the police don't appear to be involved
 
GreiginFife said:
For him its not about action being taken or not taken. Its the fact he has to go through it because Social Services deem that a child came to harm while in his care. There is no rule on distance by all accounts. The rulea say that the child came to harm serious enough to warrant their visit. Whether we agree with it or not.
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Nonsense. Social Services do not and should not investigate every child injured inside or outside a house who attends A&E.
 
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