M40 Pub

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Is it just me who can't for the life of me understand the rationale behind allowing this to go ahead. Yes - everyone is responsible for their own behaviour and whether they have one pint or four on a pub stop - but that's no consolation to folks affected when someone misjudges their entry back onto the motorway and a pile up results.

Of course the apologists and proponents say there are plenty of other scenarios when this could already happen - and yes - we could previously buy booze out of a service station supermarket - but why increase the chance?

Where on earth has the common sense thinking gone that meant there weren't pubs in motorway services. Once there is one there will be many - and yes there will be a nasty smash caused by someone misjudging things and folks will die - maybe not tomorrow or next month - maybe not next year - but it will happen. Surely to God we don't need a bloody alcoholic drink when stopping at motorway services - utter madness.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

All the services on the continent have the ability to serve beer and don't seem to cause major problems

What about all the pubs along the A roads and even the A1. Is there really much difference ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

All the services on the continent have the ability to serve beer and don't seem to cause major problems

What about all the pubs along the A roads and even the A1. Is there really much difference ?

On Uk A roads vs Motorways - speed

On Europe vs UK - different (more responsible) attitude to drink and drinking

but answer me - why do we need pubs in Mway services? I just don't get that.

 

[Rooter]

I went in there, had a few pints and on my way. awesome.

Joking aside, why not?? how many people in the service station are actually driving? 50%? 55%? 60%? either way, thats a large market of people not driving who might fancy a pint. There will be undercover spotters and police on the services exit breathalising i can bet on it!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I went in there, had a few pints and on my way. awesome.

Joking aside, why not?? how many people in the service station are actually driving? 50%? 55%? 60%? either way, thats a large market of people not driving who might fancy a pint. There will be undercover spotters and police on the services exit breathalising i can bet on it!

There are big 'why nots' - just tell me why? Yes the police will be watching but they will spread like a rash and the police won't be able to monitor them

 

[Deleted member 15344]

On Uk A roads vs Motorways - speed

On Europe vs UK - different (more responsible) attitude to drink and drinking

but answer me - why do we need pubs in Mway services? I just don't get that.

The speeds are 10mph less apart from the dual carriageway ones which are the same speed and have plenty of pubs along the way or possibly you could just leave on the multiple junctions and pop into one of the thousand pubs which are within a mile of the motorway.

And why we need pubs ? So people who are passengers in coaches or staying at the prem inn can have a drink.

 

[guest100718]

coach parties etc? i think it is also accessible from off the motorway aswell.

 

[Rooter]

There are big 'why nots' - just tell me why? Yes the police will be watching but they will spread like a rash and the police won't be able to monitor them

If people are stupid enough to drink and drive, then i hope they get caught and their lives ruined. I have lost my driving licence for 12 months before (not drink related) and it really screws your life up. We live in a society today that allows freedom of choice, if someone wants a pint during their 8 hour coach trip, then whats the problem?

Yes there are pros and cons, the obvious temptation to some, but hey ho, they are old enough to drive, they are old enough to chose.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

There are big 'why nots' - just tell me why? Yes the police will be watching but they will spread like a rash and the police won't be able to monitor them

I cant see your point and people are responsible for there own actions not a café/pub or off licence selling alcohol, Weatherspoons are saying alcohol sales will only be 25% of the total sales. If someone really wants a drink that much there are plenty of pubs at motorway junctions to head to. As I understand this is the same as its a service station that's off the motorway so its exactly the same as a beefeater/toby carvery that's next to a roundabout on the motorway junction.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If people are stupid enough to drink and drive, then i hope they get caught and their lives ruined. I have lost my driving licence for 12 months before (not drink related) and it really screws your life up. We live in a society today that allows freedom of choice, if someone wants a pint during their 8 hour coach trip, then whats the problem?

Yes there are pros and cons, the obvious temptation to some, but hey ho, they are old enough to drive, they are old enough to chose.

Absolutely - but why increase the risk to other road users - joining a motorway can be a very hairy experience sometimes with the speed of traffic and trucks etc. It's all very well to say coach passengers and folks staying in service station hotels - but that's disingenous wheedling when the risk is drivers having a couple or three pints - or a top up after the night before.

Don't see the need,

 

[bladeplayer]

Personally i think if there are enough rest areas & service areas there is no need for the pub .

im not against it being there as such i just dont see the need for it ..

if people want to drink and drive they will do it somehow , it will of course increase the chance the more readily available the drink is .. there are people who will abuse it like all other things..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Absolutely - but why increase the risk to other road users - joining a motorway can be a very hairy experience sometimes with the speed of traffic and trucks etc. It's all very well to say coach passengers and folks staying in service station hotels - but that's disingenous wheedling when the risk is drivers having a couple or three pints - or a top up after the night before.

Don't see the need,

So do you want all the pubs just off motorway junctions closed as well ?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I cant see your point and people are responsible for there own actions not a café/pub or off licence selling alcohol, Weatherspoons are saying alcohol sales will only be 25% of the total sales. If someone really wants a drink that much there are plenty of pubs at motorway junctions to head to. As I understand this is the same as its a service station that's off the motorway so its exactly the same as a beefeater/toby carvery that's next to a roundabout on the motorway junction.

OK - then I'm on the wrong side of the argument with you lot again. Lot's of comparisons being made to pretend it's OK - whilst not actually accepting that the risk is increased to other road users for something I haven't heard much call from motorist for.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Personally i think if there are enough rest areas & service areas there is no need for the pub .

im not against it being there as such i just dont see the need for it ..

if people want to drink and drive they will do it somehow , it will of course increase the chance the more readily available the drink is .. there are people who will abuse it like all other things..

Oh thank you - someone who agrees that there is simply no need for it - but I am against it as the risk must be increased,

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OK - then I'm on the wrong side of the argument with you lot again. Lot's of comparisons being made to pretend it's OK - whilst not actually accepting that the risk is increased to other road users for something I haven't heard much call from motorist for.

Can you show me a study or show me where any risk is increased compared to the risk right now of people buying a can for the services shop

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

So do you want all the pubs just off motorway junctions closed as well ?

Oh yes - that's what I'm saying - typical bloody stupid response

 

[Rooter]

My local garage sells cans of stella, 4 pack for £5. Should this be banned too?

Sorry SLH, going to agree to disagree on this one. i'm oot.

 

[Deleted member 17920]

OK - then I'm on the wrong side of the argument with you lot again. Lot's of comparisons being made to pretend it's OK - whilst not actually accepting that the risk is increased to other road users for something I haven't heard much call from motorist for.

Its not OK for anyone to drink drive but what I am saying is that there is plenty of pubs and restaurant's at the end of motorway slip roads. Whats the actual difference about this pub. If someone wants to drink they will find a place to have a drink.

Weatherspoons will make the money from the cheap food it supplies and on soft drinks.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Oh yes - that's what I'm saying - typical bloody stupid response

Well what is the difference between the thousand odd pubs just off motorway junctions to this one solely pub ?

If someone wants to drink and drive they will - putting a pub in a services won't suddenly make people want to drink.

 

[Qwerty]

Don't see the need,

Id agree if they were just serving alcohol, But its a Weatherspoons serving reasonably priced food, soft drinks and also other facilities.

I would of thought a lot of motorway users already pull off motorways at junctions and visit pubs for a meal just to avoid paying service station prices, I know I have. I Don't really see the difference.