WGCRider
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It's genuinely funny to me that golf fans have forgotten than Dustin Johnson even exists.
LIV Golf
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I enjoyed LIV personally, thought the coverage was decent, wasn’t too bothered about the Team aspect.
It’s finished now that the Saudis are out though, the prize money and sign on’s were crazy, think that’s something we all can agree on.
I certainly don’t blame players for taking the money, it’s a job at the end of the day, we would all jump ship in our jobs if we were going to quadruple our salaries
It’s finished now that the Saudis are out though, the prize money and sign on’s were crazy, think that’s something we all can agree on.
I certainly don’t blame players for taking the money, it’s a job at the end of the day, we would all jump ship in our jobs if we were going to quadruple our salaries
Orikoru
Tour Winner
But does he still exist?
Mel Smooth
Hacker
I wasn't clear - I don't blame them for taking the pay day at all - it's more the way they've died on the LIV Hill - defending it like a MAGA would defend their Sex Offender President....even in the last few days I've seen posts from them both quoting reports of LIV being up a creek and them laughing it off and name calling because these reporters don't know what they're talking about. They've become insufferable weapons, akin to boomers who will claim they had it harder than youngsters today because interest rates were 16% (yea, on house that was 10x less than the cost today)
(I still do find it baffling that Rahm took the pay day - in the prime of his career - but that's another story.
EDIT: Consequently, they've (Poults and Westwood) have been super quiet since the report came out yesterday from the WSJ and FT.....wonder why.
I'd imagine Poults has been pre-occupied with his commitments as an investor in McLaren golf.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Who?
Klimski
Well-known member
As for those baffled by why Rahm went to LIV, I am still convinced that at the time he:
- Was pissed off at Jay Monahan and the PGA for basically betraying the players who stayed 'loyal' to the PGA by suddenly pivoting to negotiations with LIV (and rightly so)
- Believed that he should secure his LIV pay day while the offer was on the table, believing that:
- Trusted that negotiations would lead to a joint schedule allowing him to play both LIV and PGA events, Ryder Cup and Majors, whilst pocketing the PIF fees
You must remember that at the time of his signing it really looked like there would be a PGA/LIV deal.
Reading his body language and seeing his interviews I think he almost immediately had buyers remorse once the PGA/LIV deal fell through. After that, he started showing signgs of Stockholm syndrome, and pivoted rather agressively to toeing the party line, for example by continuing his fight with the DP World tour. Let's not forget that his LIV deal alone was worth (allegedly) three times the DP World tour's entire annual prize fund.
- Was pissed off at Jay Monahan and the PGA for basically betraying the players who stayed 'loyal' to the PGA by suddenly pivoting to negotiations with LIV (and rightly so)
- Believed that he should secure his LIV pay day while the offer was on the table, believing that:
- Trusted that negotiations would lead to a joint schedule allowing him to play both LIV and PGA events, Ryder Cup and Majors, whilst pocketing the PIF fees
You must remember that at the time of his signing it really looked like there would be a PGA/LIV deal.
Reading his body language and seeing his interviews I think he almost immediately had buyers remorse once the PGA/LIV deal fell through. After that, he started showing signgs of Stockholm syndrome, and pivoted rather agressively to toeing the party line, for example by continuing his fight with the DP World tour. Let's not forget that his LIV deal alone was worth (allegedly) three times the DP World tour's entire annual prize fund.
Mel Smooth
Hacker
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
Do you speak on behalf of all fans? I enjoyed watching some of his golf at the Masters
r0wly86
Head Pro
I think it's more likely he believed LIV on OWGR, he has been on record saying he was angry that it wasn't sorted like he was promised, and likely he though or was led to believe that as reigning Masters champion that the PGA or Majors wouldn't dream of banning him
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Anything in regards how the huge gap in funding will be filled
Mel Smooth
Hacker
With money Id imagine mate - I'm sure that's what the bones of the plan will be.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Great post. I think you're absolutely spot on.
Fore Right
Well-known member
Brian Rollap has said on the record that Liv has made the PGA Tour better.
Also the players gained control on the PGAT board and equity.
maybe that will be its legacy
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D-S
Well-known member
If I was given the mission of ‘grow the game’ and my budget was USD 5 billion, I don’t think that pouring the vast majority of this money down the throats of current multi millionaires would be my number 1 tactic.
Fore Right
Well-known member
There is already talk of 10m purses next year. (Smylie Kaufman Podcast)
20m less per event than currently but still a decent purse in the scheme of things.
An Australia or South Aftrica event can be profitable with supporting such a purse as those events are so successful.
Whether they can get the investment to support a whole schedule and now be sustainable as a business remains to be seen.
If that happens the PGAT purses will drop as well but probably not by as much.
The 2022-2026 time period will forever be known as the golden earning period of time for the players.
Fore Right
Well-known member
They wanted to promote Saudi as a golf destination.
They should have given the 5 billion to Core/Crenshaw, Doke and Gil Hans to build the most incredible golf courses you have ever seen on the edge of the Red Sea.
Then bring Pro events to those courses through DPWT and get every influencer under the sun over to make you tube videos.
That would have done far more to bring attention to golf in Saudi.
IanM
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I wouldn't go there of you paid me.
But your idea is more sensible than funding Poulter and Westwood's great great grandchildrens' college fund.
But your idea is more sensible than funding Poulter and Westwood's great great grandchildrens' college fund.
r0wly86
Head Pro
compare to Justin Rose and his wife bankrolling the Ladies Series, or Faldos Junior Series, which have genuinely grown the game at a sustainable grassroots or lower level it makes LIV idea of growing the game a bit laughable
Depreston
Club Champion
I predict the appetite for LIV golf in Australia and South Africa might be a bit less when the ticket prices are no longer subsidised and they have to claw back 20-30 million quid per event just to break even
WorldHandicapSystem
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Have you read who those board members are and what they do?
