LIV Golf

[Depreston]

Some really disappointing displays from the highly anticipated LiV boys mind

Was excited to see Niemann and yet again he hasn’t performed on the big stage, his major performances section on wiki is tragic

2 missed major cuts in a row from Cam Smith as well is his purple patch over? Has he joined DJ in his semi retirement preferring to fish with his mates than compete ? I mean Bernie Langer faired better

Speaking of people that Bernard Langer beat the older folks that were being bigged up El Ronnie McDonald and Phil Mickelson didn’t show their apparent LiV form

Rahm scraped the cut and showed signs of life final 2 rounds when pressure was off. heard he had a sparse number of people watching him final day probs thought he was back in Singapore

And a collapse from Bryson when on top! Genuinely didn’t see that coming but he was fighting big hooks all week and hearing him saying well struck iron shots were coming up 20 yards short sometimes must be in his head equipment issue? Too much tinkering?

Hatton and Reed turned up I guess and Bubba decent final round I suppose

 

[TheDiablo]

There has been a thing in the past 10-15 years of golfers having a crazy hot 2-3 years and then dropping back into the pack. Maybe upper echelons of the pack but still the pack. They may win the odd tournament now and again but that hot streak never quite reappears.

Maybe that is what has happened to Rahm?

I hope not, he is a cracking golfer to watch when he is flying.

I get that point, and agree with it based on a lot of examples. But that isn’t Jon Rahm. He is a generational talent. He isn’t Cam Smith, Jason Day or Frankie Molinari.

There were no signs of a drop off. And then he joined Liv

Interestingly the Liv guys that have won majors since moving have fully owned the decision. Brooks wanted cash whilst injured and out of form. Bryson wanted freedom to pursue a side career that the PGAT would have stifled. Rahm moved across thinking he was the guy to bring it together.

It’s clear he is a deep thinker and wants to be liked and respected in equal measure. That hasn’t happened since the move.

Maybe he is still carrying burden from the lies and backtracking he has had to do plus repeatedly facing questions on the same topic

Maybe he’d free up by being honest and saying - I literally moved for no reason than cash.

Maybe he wins one of the next 3 majors and just proves it’s really freaking difficult to win and people are too quick to judge

 

[TheDiablo]

A Very Valid Conversation Diablo

There’s a lot of discussion right now about Jon Rahm and his performances in the majors—but let’s take a step back and look at the full picture.

According to Data Golf’s world rankings, which are based on actual performance metrics (strokes gained against the strength of field and course difficulty over the past two years), Rahm still ranks 4th in the world—behind only Scottie Scheffler, Rory McIlroy, and Collin Morikawa. That’s not opinion, that’s performance-based data which shows he is playing world class golf week in week out.

While he hasn’t contended in recent majors, his form on LIV Golf is strong, and the strokes gained numbers back it up.
The reality is: he’s still one of the most consistent and talented ball-strikers in the game.

What’s likely happening is more psychological than technical.
Rahm is acutely aware of the media narrative around LIV players and majors, and it’s fair to suggest he may be pressing too hard to silence that noise.
That kind of pressure can disrupt even the best players, look at Rory at The Masters for the last 11 years.

In my opinion Jon Rahm is too talented not to figure it out.
He’s still in his prime, still performing at an elite level, and it’s only a matter of time before he breaks through again on the major stage.

And we need him for the Ryder Cup at Bethpage.

The beauty with data is you can interpret it many ways.

For example, I could use the facts as you present them to highlight that it only proves his major problems to an even greater degree.

He’s reached such a point in spite of poor showings in majors.

Black and white data like DG rankings lack context that matters. There is no argument that could convince me that Rahm or JT are better, based on last 18 months, than Bryson and Xander. It’s not even close - but DG says he is.

 

[The Squirrel]

The next three majors will be very big for Rahm in terms of the Ryder Cup

Don’t think so - unless you mean will he be a Rory level team linchpin or a Lowry level solid option in the team structure and planning. I mean, we rightly have high expectations given his quality, but if he were to hit 3 more nondescript 14th places then worth remembering that still puts you comfortably within the top 30 in the world which is roughly Ryder Cup level required, and within the top 12 golfers in Europe.

 

[Petercool]

Some really disappointing displays from the highly anticipated LiV boys mind

Was excited to see Niemann and yet again he hasn’t performed on the big stage, his major performances section on wiki is tragic

2 missed major cuts in a row from Cam Smith as well is his purple patch over? Has he joined DJ in his semi retirement preferring to fish with his mates than compete ? I mean Bernie Langer faired better

Speaking of people that Bernard Langer beat the older folks that were being bigged up El Ronnie McDonald and Phil Mickelson didn’t show their apparent LiV form

Rahm scraped the cut and showed signs of life final 2 rounds when pressure was off. heard he had a sparse number of people watching him final day probs thought he was back in Singapore

And a collapse from Bryson when on top! Genuinely didn’t see that coming but he was fighting big hooks all week and hearing him saying well struck iron shots were coming up 20 yards short sometimes must be in his head equipment issue? Too much tinkering?

Hatton and Reed turned up I guess and Bubba decent final round I suppose

I honestly thought Niemann and Sergio would have been way better given their form of late.

Reed was solid (I am not a fan of his at all)

Bryson got in his own head I think. But I have no doubt he will study what when wrong and fix it for next time.

Pretty happy Rory won,

 

[Mel Smooth]

Hypothetically, what would Rory's figure be to get him to LIV - wonder if Yasir would be prepared to throw the vast majority of the money that was on the table for the merger at him.... 1 billion dollars..

The PGAT will do everything they can now to flame McIlroy as the new poster boy for their tour with Tiger quite clearly finished and his value has gone up as a result of his win on Sunday.

The only active grand slam winner would command a ridiculous fee, right?

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Hypothetically, what would Rory's figure be to get him to LIV - wonder if Yasir would be prepared to throw the vast majority of the money that was on the table for the merger at him.... 1 billion dollars..

The PGAT will do everything they can now to flame McIlroy as the new poster boy for their tour with Tiger quite clearly finished and his value has gone up as a result of his win on Sunday.

The only active grand slam winner would command a ridiculous fee, right?

Think it’s very clear that Rory can’t be bought - there isn’t a figure that can be thrown at him

And Rory has been a poster boy for PGAT for over a decade

 

[evemccc]

Or it’s just someone’s opinion

Bizarre I think, to assume Rahm’s RC place is threatened based on form, given Rahm’s status in the game in the last 5 years…No 1 ranking and two majors

Sure it’s an opinion…and this forum shows who has the good opinions and who has generally bad ones

An opinion…If someone doubts anything about about McIlroy, you’ll say they’re “hating and moaning” but now, as it’s Rahm, everyone is suddenly allowed an ‘opinion’ again

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Bizarre I think, to assume Rahm’s RC place is threatened based on form, given Rahm’s status in the game in the last 5 years…No 1 ranking and two majors

Sure it’s an opinion…and this forum shows who has the good opinions and who has generally bad ones

An opinion…If someone doubts anything about about McIlroy, you’ll say they’re “hating and moaning” but now, as it’s Rahm, everyone is suddenly allowed an ‘opinion’ again

Not sure where I said “hating”

And we have seen plenty of times where someone’s form from 18 months ago is irrelevant when it comes to the Ryder Cup

What he did in 2023 is irrelevant to 2025

If he has 3 complete mares in the majors then questions will be asked

 

[Swango1980]

Hypothetically, what would Rory's figure be to get him to LIV - wonder if Yasir would be prepared to throw the vast majority of the money that was on the table for the merger at him.... 1 billion dollars..

The PGAT will do everything they can now to flame McIlroy as the new poster boy for their tour with Tiger quite clearly finished and his value has gone up as a result of his win on Sunday.

The only active grand slam winner would command a ridiculous fee, right?

The PGAT might try to make McIlroy the new poster boy? Have you been asleep for a few years?

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

Hypothetically, what would Rory's figure be to get him to LIV - wonder if Yasir would be prepared to throw the vast majority of the money that was on the table for the merger at him.... 1 billion dollars..

The PGAT will do everything they can now to flame McIlroy as the new poster boy for their tour with Tiger quite clearly finished and his value has gone up as a result of his win on Sunday.

The only active grand slam winner would command a ridiculous fee, right?

It’s being reported Rory has donated his 4.2million prize money to the Masters charity Mencap. If true, that’s about 8 million in donations this year I think.
That would suggest to me he there isn’t a price.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

It’s being reported Rory has donated his 4.2million prize money to the Masters charity Mencap. If true, that’s about 8 million in donations this year I think.
That would suggest to me he there isn’t a price.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1911578574949400811

Not sure how strong the source is

I know there was talk about him donating his Players Prize money

He does have a foundation which donates a lot but a lot of the players have them

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It’s being reported Rory has donated his 4.2million prize money to the Masters charity Mencap. If true, that’s about 8 million in donations this year I think.
That would suggest to me he there isn’t a price.

This isn't a slight on him, respect for donating it however we all know any donations are mainly to offset / write off tax

 

[r0wly86]

Think it’s very clear that Rory can’t be bought - there isn’t a figure that can be thrown at him

And Rory has been a poster boy for PGAT for over a decade

quick google search says he's worth $225m I know some LIV golfers were offered more than that. But that sum already is more than he can spend in a lifetime. I'm also sure he has financial analysts and investors working for him meaning his family is set for life for several generations.

Never mind that he still has serious earning potential, and even after he retires can make bucketloads as an abassador, pundit, or even on the after dinner speaking tours.

That's why I couldn't buy some LIV players saying they went over to set their families up, they already had so much money no one in their family would need to work for generations

 

[Swango1980]

Although Liv would have been obviously wanting Bryson to win going into the last round, I dont think they will be too disappointed with their Masters showing.

Half of their 12 players made the cut and 5 finished in the top 15.

Just to delve into this a little deeper as you brought it up.

At The Masters I believe 53 players made the cut, 42 did not. So, 56% of the field made the cut.

Of those that you'd expect to struggle, you'd have amateurs, aging ex winners of the masters and I guess some lowly pro players who just managed to qualify? So, for the world's best players, you'd expect their odds to make to cut would be very very very high, much higher than 56%.

Of the LIV guys, how many of those that played in the Masters would it be fair to claim are amongst the best in the world? It certainly seems to be most of the big LIV players, the ones that LIV fans got really really excited about when they signed up, are the ones that have been playing at The Masters. For only 50% of them to make the cut, to me, is very poor.

Players like Bryson, Reed, Hatton, Rahm, Watson, Smith, Mickleson, DJ, Garcia and Koepka are all technically very very good golfers, and most have lots and lots of experience at Augusta National. There is no doubt they have the ability to turn it on every now and then, they are not going to turn into 28 handicappers. But, in my opinion, had LIV never been a thing and I was asked to predict how they would do, I would have expected most to make the cut easily and the odds of one of them winning being a lot higher. I could even see 4 or 5 of them fighting for the win at various points over the weekend

 

[wjemather]

Or it’s just someone’s opinion

Irrelevant.
They're not mutually exclusive; both things can be true.

 

[Fore Right]

There is no world where I see Rory signing for Liv.

He wants a deal between the PGAT & Liv... Not a Liv Deal

 

[Arthur Wedge]

There is no world where I see Rory signing for Liv.

He wants a deal between the PGAT & Liv... Not a Liv Deal

Rory won’t be signing for LIV - I think if there is one guarantee in the sport it’s that

He does want all the best players playing together

 

[Mel Smooth]

In the last Masters before LIV was created.

T5 - John Rahm
T5 - M Leishmann
T8 - P Reed
T10 - C Smith
T18 - T Hatton
T21 - P Mickelson
T26 - Poulter Schwartzel Ancer Casey Watson Oosthuizen
T38 - Stenson
T46 - BDC
49 - Kokrak

MC - Wolff Garcia Koepka Westwood DJ

The LIV players aren’t underperforming in The Majors, they are simply under represented.

Stick Burmeister, Leishmann, Ancer, and a few others that are showing well on LIV in this years Masters field and you have a completely different picture.

Rory and Cantlay also MC’d that year.

 

[Beezerk]

Rory won’t be signing for LIV - I think if there is one guarantee in the sport it’s that

He does want all the best players playing together

I agree but you can never say never.
Career grand slam ticked off, he’ll soon be entering the twilight of his career despite what brown nose Mcginley says. No one knows what’s going on between his ears so maybe one day if a PGA-LIV deal doesn’t materialise
Personally I just cannot see it but we aren’t in Rory’s shoes.