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Which two are invited that don’t meet the Masters criteria ? Remember that they are ask a certain number of amateurs
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wjemather
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LIV is team golf.
wjemather
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Kazuki Higa and Gordon Sargent (https://www.masters.com/pdf/2023_Masters_Tournament_Invitees.pdf)
Beezerk
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Never heard of them so I had to take to Google, yes the Masters website does say they wouldn’t qualify through the normal route, also says something about growing the game by inviting them.
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So the same thing as the US Open did when Mickleson got a special invite
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So it is an Invitation then
If being that literal then they are all invitational events because many tour events have sponser invites etc
doublebogey7
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Is it?, as far as I can see the events are individual with a team element tacked on to make it "different", that in know way makes it a team sport.
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Marshy77
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PGA Tour to remove 36 hole cuts from some designated events in 2024 to guarantee money to players
Thoughts ?
Lee Westwood having a fantastic time on twitter at the moment with this
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Did you hear that loud creaking noise when they said on the telecast today that Bay Hill was in line to be a limited field no cut event next year..
It was Arnold Palmer turning in his grave..
The PGA Tours trump card is its history...
It was Arnold Palmer turning in his grave..
The PGA Tours trump card is its history...
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How much are LiV paying the creators of YouTube channels with small followings to promote LiV and discredit the PGAT?
Seems to be a pattern forming!
Seems to be a pattern forming!
JonnyGutteridge
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Think a few of the LIV players must be thinking “I probably wouldn’t have left, if this was all happening in the first place”.
A good few have ruined their legacy and potentially given up Ryder Cup playing/captaincy opportunities and are now seeing ‘improvements’ to the tour they used to be a part of, alongside hugely boosted purses.
From the players perspective, the PGA changes probably make sense. However, all I’ve seen so far is negative press and fans who are not happy with the proposed changes.
I don’t know of any proper golf fan that cares about seeing a star player who is 15 shots back come the weekend. At best, a casual fan might(?) care, but I think your typical golf fan cares about the top of the leader board and the exciting stories that come from that fight to win (and/or players desperately trying to make the cut, whether it's the big names trying to make the weekend after a shocking opening round... Or Korn Ferry grads, youngsters or Europeans who've made the jump over to the PGA)
A good few have ruined their legacy and potentially given up Ryder Cup playing/captaincy opportunities and are now seeing ‘improvements’ to the tour they used to be a part of, alongside hugely boosted purses.
From the players perspective, the PGA changes probably make sense. However, all I’ve seen so far is negative press and fans who are not happy with the proposed changes.
I don’t know of any proper golf fan that cares about seeing a star player who is 15 shots back come the weekend. At best, a casual fan might(?) care, but I think your typical golf fan cares about the top of the leader board and the exciting stories that come from that fight to win (and/or players desperately trying to make the cut, whether it's the big names trying to make the weekend after a shocking opening round... Or Korn Ferry grads, youngsters or Europeans who've made the jump over to the PGA)
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But It wouldnt have happened if they hadn't left.
Someone had to leave to iniate this change on the PGA Tour
Like it or lump it Mickleson was right.
He said there was hundreds of millions the players were not getting a fair share of and Liv would give the players the leverage to get their fair share.
That is exactly what's happened.
Jay Monahan said in a press conference when Liv launched in London.
"The PGA Tour stands for pure and true competition, the Saudi golf league is not that"
Now they have pretty much launched 10 72 hole Liv events on the PGA Tour in the sense of guaranteed money for their top players.
Like I said earlier Arnie will be turning in his grave when his tournament Bay Hill becomes a limited field no cut event next year.
I think its a real shame they are turning their back on the history of these amazing events.
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doublebogey7
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So who exactly was getting that fair share?
It seems to me that the PGAT because of the existance of LiV has been able to leverage a little more from sponsors to increase the purses for the top players, something which was not possible without LIV, so whatever PM was saying before is mute.
As for the remainder of your post, in isoloation I wholeheartedly agree, but I find it difficult to understand how you have come to that view given your unequivocal support for the LiV format.
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Mickleson was talking absolute ballcocks.
What did he say about players image rights and the PGAT being sat on a $20billion?
The contracts they are on now with LiV appear far more restrictive than anything they were on with the PGAT. Including non compete clauses. Which is the thing they are suing the PGAT for
We’ll soon see how great LiV is now they have stopped the party planes and players are having to pay their own (and their caddies) way.
It seems like there is also a growing rumour that at least one of the big boys wants out.
What did he say about players image rights and the PGAT being sat on a $20billion?
The contracts they are on now with LiV appear far more restrictive than anything they were on with the PGAT. Including non compete clauses. Which is the thing they are suing the PGAT for
We’ll soon see how great LiV is now they have stopped the party planes and players are having to pay their own (and their caddies) way.
It seems like there is also a growing rumour that at least one of the big boys wants out.
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To be fair you have just been paying attention to the liv posts
I have always said i like and watch both formats.
I have said multiple times that the PGA Tour is great and has amazing historic events we must not lose.
Again this thought process that you have to be on one side or the other which is absolute bull****
Watch my last podcast from 29.20 and you will see me being quite critical of Liv Mayakoba.
Also critical of liv transfers from 39.20
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wjemather
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I would have thought the difference is strikingly obvious; the tour exerts control but offers no direct compensation or guaranteed income, whereas LIV offers a contract with upfront remuneration (based on the value of things like image rights) and guaranteed earnings in tournaments.Mickleson was talking absolute ballcocks.
What did he say about players image rights and the PGAT being sat on a $20billion?
The contracts they are on now with LiV appear far more restrictive than anything they were on with the PGAT. Including non compete clauses. Which is the thing they are suing the PGAT for
We’ll soon see how great LiV is now they have stopped the party planes and players are having to pay their own (and their caddies) way.
It seems like there is also a growing rumour that at least one of the big boys wants out.
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Swango1980
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There are differences between the contracts LIV players are on, compared to what their requirements were on the PGA Tour. BiMGuy simply pointed out what appears to be a difference between these. All you have done is discuss another difference, which is a guaranteed income for LIV players. Your counter is not a counter at all, you are just making another point.
BiMGuy has simply highlighted the point that LIV players are much more permanently tied into playing all the LIV events, without any choice. During the 14 weekends that LIV is played, there is absolutely no chance a LIV player could compete on another tour instead, even if they were allowed by that tour, as far as I am aware. That was simply not the case before with the PGAT. The player had the flexibility to pick and choose any of the events, and then work that around other events in other tours. I think the PGAT was usually happy enough with players doing this, and accepted the request most of the time?
When LIV is played, I think it runs in parallel to some big events on the PGAT. If Abraham Ancer wanted to play in the Mexican Open, and was allowed by PGAT, would LIV allow him? I think LIV are in Singapore that weekend. The first playoff event for the FedEx is 7-13 August. If LIV managed to get all the top players it wanted, I think it would make a bit of a mockery of the end of season finale on the PGA, as these top players wouldn't be able to play in the 1st Playoff. They are playing in Bedminster that weekend.
I can see why it is difficult for the PGAT and LIV to work in harmony, with the contracts LIV players are on. It is an easy thing to say, but you are ultimately ending the chances of any LIV players playing in at least 14 of the PGAT events in a season. And, if LIV aims to grow and have more events, this gets worse. And, even on weekens were there is no LIV event, it is more unlikely a LIV player will play on PGAT, because they'll want a certain number of free weeks each season to rest and to practice.
BubbaP
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Did you miss this? (From PGAT releaes)
"Players who finished in the top 20 of the 2022 Player Impact Program (PIP) are required to play in the elevated events they are eligible to play in, although players are allowed to skip one over the course of the year. "
"PGA Tour designated, or elevated, events are 17 tournaments throughout the year that will have all of the best players competing for increased purses. "
Remains to be seen if they drop that for 2024 though
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Funny how some of the LiV players are still so interested in what is going on on the tour they didn’t like playing on!
