Limit on handicap for major club competitions.

[Twire]

You’re in your annual club competition for let’s say the Twire trophy and maximum handicap for men is 21. The competition is also a qualifier for handicap purposes. Would you expect the handicap restriction to be for all the monetary prizes i.e. 2nd 3rd and 4th or just for the trophy itself?

 

[fundy]

If theres a max handicap should count for all prizes and the trophy imo, cant be having 2 different scores for different prizes

 

[Imurg]

Agreed.
For handicapping you would use normal methods but for prizes the 21 handicap limit should be used - so anyone off 24 could play but has to play off 21 for the competition.

Just a hypothetical question Twire or is there more to this...? Do tell....

 

[CMAC]

I think the clues in the title, MAXIMUM handicap 21

 

[brendy]

I feel a rant coming!! To be honest, I didnt think your swing was as bad as 22 handichopper

 

[Twire]

Just a hypothetical question Twire or is there more to this...? Do tell....

There's a lot more to it, but this was one piece of amunition I had, when I pointed out that the 3rd placed man in division 3 played off 24 to amass 39 points. I was then told the restriction was for the trophy only.

 

[Imurg]

You been done up like a Kipper Twire....

Go for the Jugular!!

If the Comp has a max 21 handicap then that has to work for all prizes, anything else is jsut wrong.

 

[Twire]

I feel a rant coming!! To be honest, I didnt think your swing was as bad as 22 handichopper

Not me Brendy I'm off 15.

Just someone who won the comp, and then was told 2 hours after the comp that there was a restriction.

 

[USER1999]

To me, max 21 means exactly that.

If you are off more than 21 you can't play.

If you are allowed to play (and in my view you shouldn't be), then you have to play off 21. That's it.

 

[19thagain]

I don't agree that you can't play but the restriction stands across all the competition.

I partnered a chap that played off 20 something and was restricted to 18 for a national competition,a 2BBB format. We won the club comp, the regional final and enjoyed three days at the Belfrey as guests of the sponsor.

I would suggest that it would be wrong to stop this fellow from enjoying his moment of glory by excluding him from the competition.

 

[SGC001]

At my old club the restriction applied to trophies only, clearly stated. Handicap adjustments based on full handicaps. They have divisional prizes after the trophy prize.

Surely a club could decide prizes however they like, just publish decisions first; like they should do with ties.

The reason our club adopt this is new golfers may get a high initial handicap where there is more scope to improve both quickly and in general, which could potentially make a mockery of trophies and upset the majority of the membership. To be eligible for the trophy a years membership has to have been completed too (including the scratch - in that case the reason given was to stop someone joining just to win the scratch and leave).

 

[CMAC]

(including the scratch - in that case the reason given was to stop someone joining just to win the scratch and leave).

like thats a common occurence

 

[d2cko]

(including the scratch - in that case the reason given was to stop someone joining just to win the scratch and leave).

like thats a common occurence

I used to work near Bedford, a collegue and myself joined a local club while we lived down there and in the first year we came 1st and 2nd in the Club Champs (I was 2nd), we were moved to somewhere else in the country later that year and never rejoined the club. They even asked him to come back the next year as a guest to defend his title. He couldn't make it.

 

[Shaunmg]

I feel a rant coming!!

Heres what you've been waiting for



I didn’t vote for either of your options as I don’t agree with either. Its a bit like the question “do you still beat your wife? yes or no”

I’ve no doubt this is an old chestnut discussed several times, before my time on this forum.

What the hell is the point of the CONGU handicap system if you’re not allowed to play to it in a comp, either adhere to it or scrap it, you can’t have it and not have it at the same time. Neither can you ½ have it or ¾ have it. It’s all or nothing

My club in its open competitions employs a ¾ handicap, but to a maximum of 18 rule. The argument being it’s the same restriction across the board.

Taking it to the extreme; how is it the same that a 4 handicapper looses 1 shot and a 28 handicapper looses 10. Why not just say you can contribute to the prize coffers, but you can’t win any, you bunch of bandit hackers.

Why don’t all you single figure grumps have your own little competitions that the 6 or 7 of you can play each other in, and leave the rest of us normal double figure blokes to get on with it

 

[daymond]

I can understand open competitions having a H/C limit, presumably to keep the number of entries down. If a high handicapper wishes to enter playing to the lower limit good luck to him.
I cannot see any justification for an internal club competition, championship or not having a H/C limit.

 

[rickg]

I partnered a chap that played off 20 something and was restricted to 18 for a national competition,a 2BBB format. We won the club comp, the regional final and enjoyed three days at the Belfrey as guests of the sponsor.

I would suggest that it would be wrong to stop this fellow from enjoying his moment of glory by excluding him from the competition.

I would also suggest that his name should be El Pancho......

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Its a bit like the question “do you still beat your wife? yes or no”

Not sure I really see where the comparison is to be honest. However every event I;ve played in where there are restrictions have applied these across the board. Therefore in the OP's example it would 21 across the board for all the prizes. What happens if you let a guy play off 24 and he comes in with the best score? Do you just say sorry pal you can't win but here have some cash for playing off a higher mark than everyone else. It doesn't make sense and makes a mockery of imposing a limit in the first place. I'd be complaining long and loudly if I found out that they'd allowed someone to play over the limit and take the pot

 

[d2cko]

Taking it to the extreme; how is it the same that a 4 handicapper looses 1 shot and a 28 handicapper looses 10. Why not just say you can contribute to the prize coffers, but you can’t win any, you bunch of bandit hackers.

Why don’t all you single figure grumps have your own little competitions that the 6 or 7 of you can play each other in, and leave the rest of us normal double figure blokes to get on with it

Assuming your talking about a 3/4 hcp comp I think you'll find that the 28 hcp loses 7 shots not 10.

In our sunday morning roll ups we usually play 3/4 hcp and you can bet theres a different winner every week! Yesterday for example is was a 17 hcp!

Now quit the hcp envy and just crack on with your own game fella!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

If they want to make it so that the high h'capper can win something let him have the trophy. I'd much rather have £50 to spend on something in the pro shop than have a trophy gathering dust in the loft for a year and I'm fairly sure I'm not alone.

However, I think the limit should be the limit, no point having it if it doesn't actually apply.

 

[d2cko]

I'm a member of the Army Golf Association (AGA). They typically have 2 big meets per year. The AGA Open, normally at a top class links course and the field is limited to about 63 with the aim to find the AGA Champion with a 72 hole scratch medal. Anything over 63 players and they are balloted out by handicap, highest drops out first.

We also have the AGA Stableford, usually held at Whittington Heath GC for a 72 hole hcp stableford. Again the field is limited to about 63 but this time excess golfers are balloted out lowest hcp first. The aim of this meet is to encourage all levels of golfers to participate in large competitions.

So my point is, if clubs insist on having certain competitions with a hcp limit to keep out higher hcps then surely it is only fair that there are competitions for higher hcps only.

At my club we have Tigers and Rabbits comps with the split being 0-15 and 16-28. It means lower hcps feel that they aren't going to get beaten by a nett 59, and higher hcps don't feel the pressure of competing against the lower hcps.