Keep it simple guys

[NWJocko]

I'm a million miles from Robobum ability wise but very similar in approach.

I went to the range this morning for the first time in a long time.

Reading all the technical stuff on here (which seems to have gone way, way more in depth recently) I thought I'd try and have a productive range session.

I stood there and realised I think about nothing when I'm stood over the ball other than where I want it to go. Not where my watch strap is pointing when I'm 92.3% through my transition phase at the top of the backswing, not even where my right elbow is in relation to the 3rd ring of Saturn to develop the appropriate "lag" for my 70 yard wedge shot.

If the technical stuff interests you then great, it would terrify me trying to work out where I'm going wrong. Lets face it, we're all crap, just different levels of crap (where the handicaps come in) so the chances are we are MILES out from the type of swing a pro can put on the ball.

I question how much knowing what swing path and 1-2 degrees of difference from that the club face is really helps any of us.

 

[Robobum]

........... Lets face it, we're all crap, just different levels of crap .

Yes, yes, yes:thup:

 

[Jimbooo]

It isn't......if you keep it simple

Cool - then as it's simple, go advocate everyone learns enough about the swing and ball-flight laws to fix their issues on-course!

 

[kid2]

Is this a serious post??? The guys plays off TWO, you have NEVER seen him swing and your dissecting what his possible misses and shot types are???? Do me a favour.

Think you need to read the rest of the replies Pal before you start posting..... It was a bit of banther.... And a reply to Robobum telling me that 80% of his shots are fades but he doesnt pull the ball.....Have a read back along the thread instead of jumping in with both feet....

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Cool - then as it's simple, go advocate everyone learns enough about the swing and ball-flight laws to fix their issues on-course!

I think you've missed the point......you don't need to know anything about ball flight laws and the technicalities of the swing to play this game. There is a guy at my club that has played off scratch or lower for 40 (yes 40!!) years and he doesn't have a clue about ball flight laws. He just knows how to get the clubface back to the ball in a simple, repeatable manner.

 

[CMAC]

Not where my watch strap is pointing when I'm 92.3% through my transition phase at the top of the backswing, not even where my right elbow is in relation to the 3rd ring of Saturn to develop the appropriate "lag" for my 70 yard wedge shot.

Lets face it, we're all crap, just different levels of crap (where the handicaps come in) .

Love it :whoo: a post to make me smile tonight :thup:

 

[kid2]

I question how much knowing what swing path and 1-2 degrees of difference from that the club face is really helps any of us.

I wouldnt even like to get wrapped up in that... I hated Maths in school.....

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Think you need to read the rest of the replies Pal before you start posting..... It was a bit of banther.... And a reply to Robobum telling me that 80% of his shots are fades but he doesnt pull the ball.....Have a read back along the thread instead of jumping in with both feet....

I actually thought the same as tsped when I read your post, maybe it just didn't come out quite as you intended it to.

 

[NWJocko]

I wouldnt even like to get wrapped up in that... I hated Maths in school.....

That's the ball flight laws in a nutshell though!!

 

[Jimbooo]

I think you've missed the point......you don't need to know anything about ball flight laws and the technicalities of the swing to play this game. There is a guy at my club that has played off scratch or lower for 40 (yes 40!!) years and he doesn't have a clue about ball flight laws. He just knows how to get the clubface back to the ball in a simple, repeatable manner.

Not everyone is like that tho are they?

I don't think I've missed your point; in fact I partly agree with it. I'm just trying to make the point that the 'keep it simple' approach doesn't work for everyone.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Not everyone is like that tho are they?

I don't think I've missed your point; in fact I partly agree with it. I'm just trying to make the point that the 'keep it simple' approach doesn't work for everyone.

OK, I'll amend it from everyone (although I can't remember actually saying that) to 99% of golfers. Happy with that? :thup:

 

[Jimbooo]

OK, I'll amend it from everyone (although I can't remember actually saying that) to 99% of golfers. Happy with that? :thup:

LOL sure...

Good thread btw. :thup:

 

[kid2]

I actually thought the same as tsped when I read your post, maybe it just didn't come out quite as you intended it to.

The point i was trying to make was that Rob obviously has a repeatable swing Pal.... And that he's able to take at least 1 side of the course out of play most of the time with a fade..... which helps him play to his handicap.....
He said he never pulls the ball...... I had an idea why and just typed my thoughts..... I wasnt giving him advice or trying to dissect his swing as was implied.... Just that it was my own take on what he told me.....
You wont get to be a Cat 1 player by spraying the ball all over the course....... It will never happen no matter how good you are with your short game......And if you havent a consistent swing its hard to play good golf....

 

[kid2]

That's the ball flight laws in a nutshell though!!

I know this Pal..... But thats just way too technical.... There is no way anyone can know how to control a clubhead when your talking about a degree here and there...... Even machines arent that accurate....

 

[Robobum]

The point i was trying to make was that Rob obviously has a repeatable swing Pal.... And that he's able to take at least 1 side of the course out of play most of the time with a fade..... which helps him play to his handicap.....
He said he never pulls the ball...... I had an idea why and just typed my thoughts..... I wasnt giving him advice or trying to dissect his swing as was implied.... Just that it was my own take on what he told me.....
You wont get to be a Cat 1 player by spraying the ball all over the course....... It will never happen no matter how good you are with your short game......And if you havent a consistent swing its hard to play good golf....

Don't panic Kid - was all good with me

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

The point i was trying to make was that Rob obviously has a repeatable swing Pal.... And that he's able to take at least 1 side of the course out of play most of the time with a fade..... which helps him play to his handicap.....
He said he never pulls the ball...... I had an idea why and just typed my thoughts..... I wasnt giving him advice or trying to dissect his swing as was implied.... Just that it was my own take on what he told me.....
You wont get to be a Cat 1 player by spraying the ball all over the course....... It will never happen no matter how good you are with your short game......And if you havent a consistent swing its hard to play good golf....

I have played with Robo quite a few times, in fact last time we played he shot 1 under. Guessing at people's swing faults without having seen them swing can be quite dangerous, no matter how good the intentions are :thup:

ps... I'm not having a dig at you but you just have to look in the Ask the Experts section. It's full of people saying 'you are doing this' or 'you are doing that' when really they don't have a clue what the problem is.

 

[kid2]

Don't panic Kid - was all good with me

I know that Pal... Pity the bandwagon jumpers didnt..

 

[kid2]

I have played with Robo quite a few times, in fact last time we played he shot 1 under. Guessing at people's swing faults without having seen them swing can be quite dangerous, no matter how good the intentions are :thup:

I understand that Pal..... But you'd think that maybe a question would have been asked first before implying had begun.....
Still thats a Forum for you...
I like knowing about the swing just like you and Robo like keeping everything simple and just hitting the ball.....
For me i need to have an answer as to why x,y,and z happen.... Its the way i am with everything not just with golf....It just so happens that i have 3 faults in one at the moment that with the one fix it should cure them...... If i drop another 2 ir 3 shots next season and some other problem arises then ill hop over that hurdle when i come to it......

The thing ill take from my journey to Cat1 is what i went through and how i was helped to get through it.....
For you and Robo ye have arrived there by just playing.... Ye say ye keep it simple but over the years ye must have had glitches and plateaus that hung around for a while and the without knowing what ye done they suddenly righted themselves and off ye went again on yer merry way down in handicap......

I think that the only way to describe it is this...... Ye hit the ball find it hit it again.....
I hit the ball.... Wonder why it happened, Figure it out, Hit it better, figure out what made me hit it better, hit it again......
Its a different process with the same conclusion....
But i do think that for someone taking up the game if they have a goal of playing in Cat 1 would do better to take lessons and would progress faster than someone that plays with a slice and has no clue as to why......

 

[kid2]

I have played with Robo quite a few times, in fact last time we played he shot 1 under. Guessing at people's swing faults without having seen them swing can be quite dangerous, no matter how good the intentions are :thup:

ps... I'm not having a dig at you but you just have to look in the Ask the Experts section. It's full of people saying 'you are doing this' or 'you are doing that' when really they don't have a clue what the problem is.

I understand that fully Pal..... Its why i never give advice...... I think thats best left to the people that know..... Ill give an opinion on certain things but i would never tell anyone they are doing this or that.... I just know my own swing and whats best for me.....
Ill also only take advice from certain people on here as well..... It becomes clear after a while who knows what they are talking about and who is just feeling their way....

 

[SocketRocket]

I can only reiterate that we are not all the same. The average handicap is around 20, why is that? Most golfers dont read 'Ask the experts' or have lessons, IMO they just dont understand or are not capable of making a good repeatable golf swing so carry on doing what they have always done. It's IMHO wrong for talented people to suggest that golf is easy if you just let it happen.