JT

[Iaing]

I don't think that's in the character of the man proper England captain material.

If he is convicted, where does that leave Ashley Cole, Sturridge etc, Do they still play with him ?

More to the point, where does it leave Chelsea?
His England career would obviously be over but would Chelsea have the integrity to sack him?

 

[User20205]

More to the point, where does it leave Chelsea?
His England career would obviously be over but would Chelsea have the integrity to sack him?

I'm sure they won't, he's the heart of the club and he's worth too much to them. I'd be surprised if any team mate takes a stand also. Interesting times though.

 

[CliveW]

What I can't believe is that this was the main lead story on the BBC National/International news (and probably will be for the duration of the trial).
Is it the most important thing happening in the World today? Personally I couldn't care less.

 

[sawtooth]

No question about it, if he did make a racist comment and found guilty he would be sacked by Chelsea and would never play again for England.

Suarez case is a bit different as he hid behind an excuse, he claimed the word he used was used all of the time and had a different meaning in his culture.

 

[chrisd]

If he is found guilty he will rubbish the court as its a magistrates court, not the Old Bailey. He will claim they got it wrong and it was a stitch up and then he will get on with his football life, after claiming that he will appeal but never quite getting round to doing it!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Is the evidence based on lip reading, or did other players actually hear what Terry said.
It seems a bit strange that this has been brought to court, the evidence seems pretty low quality.

That saying, I hope they find him guilty and that his club do the right thing and sack him. After all, this is what would happen in any normal workplace.

 

[MegaSteve]

What I can't believe is that this was the main lead story on the BBC National/International news (and probably will be for the duration of the trial).
Is it the most important thing happening in the World today? Personally I couldn't care less.

Exactly...

Some poor sod got murdered yesterday whilst trying to do the right thing for a fellow human being...

Yet, going by the media coverage we are more worried about the potential hurt feelings of some [by his own admission] foul mouthed footballer... Some freaking mad kind of society we are living in...

Cannot fathom out why this has got where it has... They should've been taken behind the grandstands had their heads banged together and told to sort it out! End of....

 

[Lollfred]

At least the media have forgotten about Andy Murray and his tears now ... but serioulsy, John Terry is a plank, fine him and let's move on.

Bit annoyed the BBC deemed this more important than:

1. Kylie & Jason reunion cancelled
2. Cruise & Holmes settle divorce
3. Olympic flame streaker

TV licence binned.

 

[Andy808]

To be honest it's a farce. He will get a £2500 fine as that's the harshest punishment they can dole out which is nothing. All they have to prove is that he had a racist comment with an obsenity in the same sentance aimed at a coloured played. When the court case is over then the FA can have their time with him and the outcome of the court case doesn't make a difference to the FAs decision.
Personally I can't stand him. I think the court case will go against him and the FA will give him a far bigger fine and a lengthy ban. I can see it being the end of his England career but not his Chavski career unfortunately.

 

[Tiger]

The definition of racism is: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

By making reference to Ferdinand's colour Terry could be deemed as suggesting that the reason that Ferdinand is a C is because he is black.

Stating that you are proud to be black is no different than being proud to be British, Jewish or Gay. In this instance the individual is associating themselves positively with a particular national, religious, ethnic or sexuality grouping.

The Suarez case is different. The term he used is deemed in some cultures to be a derogatory term of reference for black people. However, in his own culture it has a different meaning. The hearing found that playing football in England Suarez should have been aware of the potential interpretation of the phrase (and in all honesty he probably meant it as an insult anyway).

What flabbergasts me about the Terry case is the claim that he said it in a sarcastic/questioning manner. Probably the most preposterous defence I've ever heard. I also dislike how it is being twisted into the "I can't be racist I've got black friends" argument. For me the case isn't about whether Terry is or is not a racist, it's about whether he made a racist comment, which he did. For me case closed, and let the FA throw the book at him.

The Peroncell affair was bad enough, then came the incident where he parked in a disabled parking space outside a restaurant and laughed about the £50 ticket and now this. I just cannot fathom how this man was ever England captain...

...then again with the track records of high profile incidents involving Gerrard (fracas), Rooney (prostitutes), Ferdinand (missed drugs test), Cole (air rifle), Lampard (extra marital affair) I just wish they'd give the armband to Hart (quite possibly a decent role model)

thecraw I cannot believe this but I think for once we are in absolute agreement. I think I need to go and lie down!!!

 

[Mark_G]

Personally I dont think JT is the sharpest tool in the box but if this had happened in a Sunday league match would it be even followed up by Police if reported? What annoys me is when the media describes someone as black or muslim or gay, in fact unless you are a christian white male the media seem to attach a tag to people. Surely if the media constantly tag people its natural for people to absorb that mentality into their lives. I dont care what colour someone is, how is it relevant unless pointing out a difference? Seeing as three quarters of the world seem to be obese (me included), are we soon going to hear in the media someone described as "obese" when mentioning them in an unrelated story? JT will be made an example of, but how many kids will have started using language like that just because JT used it and they heard about it because of the publicity. Kids who previously wouldnt have even seen their friends as a different colour, let alone used it as a weapon.

 

[Andy808]

If he doesn't get done for this it will be on a par with 'Arry getting away with tax evasion. I think it's laughable that the defence is pretty much relying on the jury believing JT was just repeating what AF had said to him. REALLY? Mind you if a jury can believe that 'Arry couldn't have been guilty as he couldn't read or write then I have no doubt another jury could believe that JT was repeating AFs words and AF called JT a b**** c*** or that the video of JT saying it isn't real and he's saying something else.
Personally I can't stand the man, he's had more headlines for the wrong reasons than he has for the right ones.

 

[Monty_Brown]

The "quality" of the witnesses on both sides is a damning indictment of the state of the game. Pretty much all the evidence given by players has been discredited at some stage.

Ashley Cole is asked by the Magistrates to stand up to give his evidence, but refuses and says he's going to sit down. FFS! Fine him for contempt of court! These people are totally deluded and have no sense of morality or decency. For years they have been cosseted, surrounded by sycophants too scared to tell them their behaviour is wrong, grossly overpaid and they now believe their own hype.

The level of abuse that passes between teams, irrespective of this specific incident, is just vile.

 

[Snelly]

The "quality" of the witnesses on both sides is a damning indictment of the state of the game. Pretty much all the evidence given by players has been discredited at some stage.

Ashley Cole is asked by the Magistrates to stand up to give his evidence, but refuses and says he's going to sit down. FFS! Fine him for contempt of court! These people are totally deluded and have no sense of morality or decency. For years they have been cosseted, surrounded by sycophants too scared to tell them their behaviour is wrong, grossly overpaid and they now believe their own hype.

The level of abuse that passes between teams, irrespective of this specific incident, is just vile.

I agree totally.

I hadn't heard that about Ashley Cole but am not surprised. These people are pretty awful. As my grandad used to say, "you can't educate sh**e."

More money than sense but for Cole and Terry, the same would be true if you gave them a handful of change.

 

[Andy808]

TBH I think the "witnesses" were only called in to pad out the trial to something worth calling a trial. In reality the only valid evidence given to the court was the video. What I find laughable about that is they had to bring in lipreading experts to tell the court and the jury what was being said. My 10 year old daughter managed to tell what he was saying.
I just wonder how muc this has all cost and, if found guilty, will JT have to pay for it?

 

[Lollfred]

let's hope it's the right verdict today and he is found guilty. shame it's only a magistrates court, but maybe the FA will grow some and ban / fine him massively ?

 

[chris661]

Personally I dont think JT is the sharpest tool in the box but if this had happened in a Sunday league match would it be even followed up by Police if reported? What annoys me is when the media describes someone as black or muslim or gay, in fact unless you are a christian white male the media seem to attach a tag to people. Surely if the media constantly tag people its natural for people to absorb that mentality into their lives. I dont care what colour someone is, how is it relevant unless pointing out a difference? Seeing as three quarters of the world seem to be obese (me included), are we soon going to hear in the media someone described as "obese" when mentioning them in an unrelated story? JT will be made an example of, but how many kids will have started using language like that just because JT used it and they heard about it because of the publicity. Kids who previously wouldnt have even seen their friends as a different colour, let alone used it as a weapon.

I am confused, do you think it is the media's fault that he came out with a racist comment?

 

[Mark_G]

No Chris, the point I was trying to make was that this countries media constantly refers to people in groups, black, muslim, gay, etc. I think its wrong, and JT's comment will be copied by youngsters, but they read it every day in the papers. When angry most peoples language is automatic and like a reflex, and if we keep describing people by their colour all we do is keep the next generation saying offensive comments without them even realising it.

I dont read national newspapers anymore solely for this reason, prefering to read information from a local newspaper.

 

[richart]

What a surprise not guilty.

 

[chris661]

No Chris, the point I was trying to make was that this countries media constantly refers to people in groups, black, muslim, gay, etc. I think its wrong, and JT's comment will be copied by youngsters, but they read it every day in the papers. When angry most peoples language is automatic and like a reflex, and if we keep describing people by their colour all we do is keep the next generation saying offensive comments without them even realising it.

I dont read national newspapers anymore solely for this reason, prefering to read information from a local newspaper.

There is nothing wrong with describing someone or even a group of people as black, white or whatever. There MUST be a level of personal responsibility there, to say that it is the "media's" fault as using a word/phrase to describe something is frankly laughable.