JT

[thecraw]

Hope you go to jail, how you can lie about what you clearly said is quite unbelievable.

Be a man, own up, apologise and work towards ending racism. A player of your calibre has enough influence to put out a strong anti-racism message!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Hope you go to jail, how you can lie about what you clearly said is quite unbelievable.

Be a man, own up, apologise and work towards ending racism. A player of your calibre has enough influence to put out a strong anti-racism message!

What if he is actually a racist fella who believes what he said is ok?

Maybe he doesn't want to be an integral part of clearing racism in football, hence his total denial.

 

[pbrown7582]

Hope you go to jail, how you can lie about what you clearly said is quite unbelievable.

Be a man, own up, apologise and work towards ending racism. A player of your calibre has enough influence to put out a strong anti-racism message!

Well said, can't see it happening though.

 

[Scottjd1]

If guilty he can only get a fine, Max £2500!

 

[bladeplayer]

ya know what i find pecular about some aspects of racism tho, & i will say SOME because people SHOULD NOT be discriminated against because of race or religion or sexual orientation ..

Nobody seems to care that terry (muppet i cant stand anyhow) calles him the c word... if he had just used that word would there be a problem here ? is it just a problem because he used the word black?? ....i am not trying to defend that muppet terry in any way , im just wondering what ye'r views were on it..

imagine one guy calling another guy all the rude names you know ok ..
then he calls another guy the same bad names but adds a religion , a race or an orientation into it .. why all of a sudden does it become a bigger issue ..?
not looking for controvercy or arguments just your thoughts ..

Mods if this is not suitable please feel free to remove .. thanks

 

[User20205]

is he racist ? What he is alleged to have said is certainly racist ?

Could he play in a multicultural team like Chelsea, if he was a proper racist?

Maybe his crime is stupidity, I'm not defending him, I find him an unpleasant bloke from what I hear. But could he play at a club where half the team is black with those attitudes.

 

[User20205]

imagine one guy calling another guy all the rude names you know ok ..
then he calls another guy the same bad names but adds a religion , a race or an orientation into it .. why all of a sudden does it become a bigger issue ..?
not looking for controvercy or arguments just your thoughts ..

Mods if this is not suitable please feel free to remove .. thanks

it a legitimate question. The way I read it is that attaching, race or sexuality to the insult then adds weight to it. It infers that somehow being black is a negative, and historically it has been the case that being non white has meant being almost a second class citizen. If it takes the law to show this in unacceptable then so be it.

John Terry should know this and understand this, but does what he said make him a racist ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Hard to know what to believe when so much media hype and intervention involved. I do think there is no smoke without fire but concerned why Ferdinand waited so long to report it on the behest of his agent if he was that upset at the time

 

[leaney]

He called Ferdinand a 'black c'.
Ferdinand is black - fact. The word 'black' is not a racist term.
If Terry was racist, would he be good mates with Ashley Cole, Drogba etc etc?
The bloke isn't racist. else he wouldn't have played with so many black players for so many years, without incidents coming out of the woodwork before now.

On a side note, it turns out that it was Ferdinand that started it all and he didn't actually hear the alleged racist slur at the time.
So with nobody actually hearing it, how on earth has this got to court?

Is Terry a complete muppet? Yes. But that isn't a crime.... unfortunately.

 

[bladeplayer]

it a legitimate question. The way I read it is that attaching, race or sexuality to the insult then adds weight to it. It infers that somehow being black is a negative, and historically it has been the case that being non white has meant being almost a second class citizen. If it takes the law to show this in unacceptable then so be it.

John Terry should know this and understand this, but does what he said make him a racist ?

as per your point could a real racist hide his feelings enough to be surrounded by black players .. i think not ..

 

[User20205]

He called Ferdinand a 'black c'.
Ferdinand is black - fact. The word 'black' is not a racist term.

it is if it is attached to a negative insult, does using a racist term make you a racist? I don't know.

I could call you gay, as in we play golf, you miss a 18 inch putt, I call you gay for missing it in a proper school boy way. Does that make me homophobic ?

 

[chris661]

He called Ferdinand a 'black c'.
Ferdinand is black - fact. The word 'black' is not a racist term.
If Terry was racist, would he be good mates with Ashley Cole, Drogba etc etc?
The bloke isn't racist. else he wouldn't have played with so many black players for so many years, without incidents coming out of the woodwork before now.

On a side note, it turns out that it was Ferdinand that started it all and he didn't actually hear the alleged racist slur at the time.
So with nobody actually hearing it, how on earth has this got to court?

Is Terry a complete muppet? Yes. But that isn't a crime.... unfortunately.

You dont have to be racist to utter racists words/phrases, it doesn't make it any less racist though.

 

[bladeplayer]

You dont have to be racist to utter racists words/phrases, it doesn't make it any less racist though.

but AF is black .. always has been always will be ..thats not an insult , its a fact & there aint no denying that ..
he called him a c .. in my opinion one the crudest words going , but thats not causing the issue tho is it ?

 

[chris661]

but AF is black .. always has been always will be ..thats not an insult , its a fact & there aint no denying that ..
he called him a c .. in my opinion one the crudest words going , but thats not causing the issue tho is it ?

As soon as you bring colour or creed into it your are being racist. Regardless of anything else. Or facts.

 

[sawtooth]

If he called him a c*** thats bad enough but by putting black in front of it , its obviously a racist slur. Of course the word black by itself isnt racist but in that context it certainly is.

Mind you I just dont get some the racism thing at times. A bloke on TV the other day when asked what was he most proud of, he answered being black. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but can you imagine the uproar if someone had said proud to be white? There would be a riot - lol

 

[Liverbirdie]

as per your point could a real racist hide his feelings enough to be surrounded by black players .. i think not ..

I think he could "function" if he is a rascist whilst still at Chelsea, especially on £100,000 plus a week, as if he went to another team the likelihood is also that they would have black players. There are millions of rascists, semi-rascists, part-rascists, slight rascists within Uk society who live,work,play with people of other races every day.

No man is an island, and most can still alter behaviour, get by, whatever way you want to say it and still harbour their rascist beliefs/thoughts/actions.

BTW you can swap rascist for homophobic,nationalist,religious, regionalist, sexist,xenophobic behaviour.

I honestly think that all humans have some degree of this behaviour, however small. In the last 10-20 years it has become more fashionable to deny this and behaviour has generally improved (thank God), look at British football crowds as an example.

However, a saintly, holier-than-thou attitude has also taken over and some people try to put on a veneer of "I am never rascist/sexist/all the others mentioned" and I don't believe it of the majority of people.

Just my thoughts.

 

[thecraw]

is he racist ? What he is alleged to have said is certainly racist ?

Could he play in a multicultural team like Chelsea, if he was a proper racist?

Maybe his crime is stupidity, I'm not defending him, I find him an unpleasant bloke from what I hear. But could he play at a club where half the team is black with those attitudes.

This is the whole point I feel. If JT had been man enough to own up admit he was a stupid sausage who got carried away in the heat of the moment, regretted his actions apologised and ate humble pie he would have weathered the storm and been respected when the dust settled for being big enough to admit he was wrong and his actions were totally out of order.

Its all on camera FFS!

Now he's got Ferdinand in the box being called a liar and being accused of doing all this for publicity and money!

 

[One Planer]

Suarez?

What's the difference between the Suarez/Evra episode and this?

Is there one?

 

[User20205]

This is the whole point I feel. If JT had been man enough to own up admit he was a stupid sausage who got carried away in the heat of the moment,

I don't think that's in the character of the man proper England captain material.

If he is convicted, where does that leave Ashley Cole, Sturridge etc, Do they still play with him ?

 

[Imurg]

If guilty he can only get a fine, Max £2500!

PLus an end to his Engalnd career and maybe (hopefully) an end to his playing career too...

Can any dressing room have a convicted racist in it....?