Jeremy Corbyn

Not a chance in hell I'd vote for a terrorist apologist like Corbyn. I've not forgotten about him inviting IRA terror chiefs Gerry Adams etc to the commons just weeks after the Brighton bombing.
He also observed a minutes silence for the eight IRA members killed by the SAS in Co Armagh. Disgraceful. He should have been tried as a traitor imo, not given a seat in parliament.

Don't bomb Iraq he cries.......but feel free to bomb the hell out of the UK!

The man's a joke and an utter disgrace. Representative of a particular vein of the Labour party that I had hoped had been neutered, or at the least contained. Apparently, not so.

Imo of course.
 
c1973 said:
Not a chance in hell I'd vote for a terrorist apologist like Corbyn. I've not forgotten about him inviting IRA terror chiefs Gerry Adams etc to the commons just weeks after the Brighton bombing.
He also observed a minutes silence for the eight IRA members killed by the SAS in Co Armagh. Disgraceful. He should have been tried as a traitor imo, not given a seat in parliament.

Don't bomb Iraq he cries.......but feel free to bomb the hell out of the UK!

The man's a joke and an utter disgrace. Representative of a particular vein of the Labour party that I had hoped had been neutered, or at the least contained. Apparently, not so.

Imo of course.
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I assume you have the same reaction about the British Army soldiers who with the help of MI5 and the UDR and RUC operated shoot to kill policies in NI, as well as then lying about it, losing or burning files and frustrating investigations. Not to mention Bloody Sunday, for which nobody was convicted and the UDR who collaborated with loyalist paramilitaries and murderers like The Shankill Butchers.

Does that therefore make supporters of HFH also apologists for murderers and traitors?

Just saying the logic is the same.

I guess that 'Boom!' in your avatar will resemble your response.
 
Ethan said:
I assume you have the same reaction about the British Army soldiers who with the help of MI5 and the UDR and RUC operated shoot to kill policies in NI, as well as then lying about it, losing or burning files and frustrating investigations. Not to mention Bloody Sunday, for which nobody was convicted and the UDR who collaborated with loyalist paramilitaries and murderers like The Shankill Butchers.

Does that therefore make supporters of HFH also apologists for murderers and traitors?

Just saying the logic is the same.

I guess that 'Boom!' in your avatar will resemble your response.
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You'd guess wrong then. :)

For the record there was no shoot to kill policy....ever! You don't shoot to wound, do you, so why have a shoot to kill 'policy'?

But this thread is about Jeremy Corbyn. If you wish to discuss/defend/deflect terrorist atrocities inflicted on the UK I'd start another thread if I were you. :thup:
 
c1973 said:
You'd guess wrong then. :)

For the record there was no shoot to kill policy....ever! You don't shoot to wound, do you, so why have a shoot to kill 'policy'?

But this thread is about Jeremy Corbyn. If you wish to discuss/defend/deflect terrorist atrocities inflicted on the UK I'd start another thread if I were you. :thup:
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If I wish to deflect. Oh no, I leave that to the master. You. You said that you'd never vote for, and would consider as traitors, terrorist apologists. What you meant was ones on the other side to you.

As for shoot to kill, as you well know, that meant shooting people who were not posing a threat, and who were in some cases, entirely uninvolved with anything political. Often in the back. There was most certainly such a policy and few sensible people deny that. Ask John Stalker to see what he thinks, and there was recent coverage in the press about recent revelations of previously buried material.

I know a few former Army soldiers who served in NI and some of them agree, sometimes with justifications, other times with regret.

Back to Jeremy Corbyn. He associated with Adams et al because they initially espoused a Marxist policy. He was a supporter of a United Ireland, which is a legitimate point of view, but he also supported the peace process as a way to resolve the issue and as part of that met with Sinn Fein. As did the Tory Governments of the 70s, 80s and 90s, except they did do in secret.
 
Ethan said:
If I wish to deflect. Oh no, I leave that to the master. You. You said that you'd never vote for, and would consider as traitors, terrorist apologists. What you meant was ones on the other side to you.

As for shoot to kill, as you well know, that meant shooting people who were not posing a threat, and who were in some cases, entirely uninvolved with anything political. Often in the back. There was most certainly such a policy and few sensible people deny that. Ask John Stalker to see what he thinks, and there was recent coverage in the press about recent revelations of previously buried material.

I know a few former Army soldiers who served in NI and some of them agree, sometimes with justifications, other times with regret.

Back to Jeremy Corbyn. He associated with Adams et al because they initially espoused a Marxist policy. He was a supporter of a United Ireland, which is a legitimate point of view, but he also supported the peace process as a way to resolve the issue and as part of that met with Sinn Fein. As did the Tory Governments of the 70s, 80s and 90s, except they did do in secret.
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I actually find that quite offensive.

I assume (by the above comment) you believe me to be a supporter of terrorism then? Or was it a pop at my (assumed by you) religion?
It must have been one or the other, kindly explain which, if you please.

Shame on you for making such a misguided and ill informed judgement.

I'd suggest you read up on the differences between loyalist, unionist and terrorist.....as you obviously don't have a clue what they are!

Astonishingly offensive post, particularly from a moderator. Not for the first time either, is it. Poor show.


Ill bow out and let others discuss Jeremy Corbyn.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
oooh - that sort of talk about folk who might vote Tory didn't go down well in the lead up to the election - don't you know that conservatives are misunderstood and that caring and compassionate are core values - and it's not all about self.
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Well; you do surprise me! And here I was thinking you were paranoid and psychotic about all people and things Tory, then out of the blue you come out with these nice comments. Bless.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
oooh - that sort of talk about folk who might vote Tory didn't go down well in the lead up to the election - don't you know that conservatives are misunderstood and that caring and compassionate are core values - and it's not all about self.
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You forgot to mention that the Tory's are also the party for hard working families. [unless you are on the minimum wage of course]
 
I find it rather curious that as the government looks to weaken unions it looks to enforce it's minimum wage policy. And who is best to support them in doing that - well of course they need the workers to 'speak up' without fear or prejudice against employers not complying. And for that it's clearly best for these employees to get together and maybe get someone to represent their concerns to employers and escalate if employer ignores them. Nah - can't have workers doing that sort of thing. Far Left wing policy that Corbyn might advocate? Common sense actually.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I find it rather curious that as the government looks to weaken unions it looks to enforce it's minimum wage policy. And who is best to support them in doing that - well of course they need the workers to 'speak up' without fear or prejudice against employers not complying. And for that it's clearly best for these employees to get together and maybe get someone to represent their concerns to employers and escalate if employer ignores them. Nah - can't have workers doing that sort of thing. Far Left wing policy that Corbyn might advocate? Common sense actually.
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I've been a bit out of the loops. What is being done to weaken unions?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I find it rather curious that as the government looks to weaken unions it looks to enforce it's minimum wage policy. And who is best to support them in doing that - well of course they need the workers to 'speak up' without fear or prejudice against employers not complying. And for that it's clearly best for these employees to get together and maybe get someone to represent their concerns to employers and escalate if employer ignores them. Nah - can't have workers doing that sort of thing. Far Left wing policy that Corbyn might advocate? Common sense actually.
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Why do you suggest that the Government are banning Trade Unions? They are only doing something about the numbers required to call a strike.
 
SocketRocket said:
Why do you suggest that the Government are banning Trade Unions? They are only doing something about the numbers required to call a strike.
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Setting a higher bar than they do for themselves... Bit questionable... If, at the same time, they made voting for government compulsory I'd support them... But, it isn't going to happen is it?

JC is unelectable as I doubt he won't support the shutting of the gate... Which, especially with current situation in Kent, is back to [for many] top of the shopping list... The fact DaveCam doesn't want it either is neither here nor there...
 
SocketRocket said:
Why do you suggest that the Government are banning Trade Unions? They are only doing something about the numbers required to call a strike.
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Did I suggest they were - no - I suggested that the government is looking to weaken the unions. Please don't tell me it's not because we all really know that it is - starting with making it less likely that employees will be able to withdraw their labour under legal protection. Corbyn would no doubt look to support the unions - whether he would reverse the current proposed legislation I don't know. But that would hardly be policy that could be described as Far Left
 
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MegaSteve said:
Setting a higher bar than they do for themselves... Bit questionable... If, at the same time, they made voting for government compulsory I'd support them... But, it isn't going to happen is it?

JC is unelectable as I doubt he won't support the shutting of the gate... Which, especially with current situation in Kent, is back to [for many] top of the shopping list... The fact DaveCam doesn't want it either is neither here nor there...
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In fact I believe that JC has not ruled out UK coming out of the EU - and certainly advocates change

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ws-fire-position-future-britain-eu-membership
 
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