Indyref2

[Old Skier]

You asked for a Plan B...

If you listen to the Scottish FM she is clear that the Scottish Government would be OK at the moment with a UK Leave deal that included tariff free access to the Single Market. She has been asked a lot of times in the last couple of days whether she'd retract her call for Indyref2 if May walked back her Lancaster House statement on the UK will be leaving the Single Market. Her reply has been that May has shown absolutely no indication whatsoever that that is a possibility.

Good Plan B - Hedge bets and see what the UK Government walk away with. Nether you nor I know what is going to be negotiated, perhaps the EU might suggest a deal that gives the UK access but it is not for our Government to suggest it as we (that's all of us) are down to leave.

 

[Hobbit]

Good Plan B - Hedge bets and see what the UK Government walk away with. Nether you nor I know what is going to be negotiated, perhaps the EU might suggest a deal that gives the UK access but it is not for our Government to suggest it as we (that's all of us) are down to leave.

Ah but Nicola Sturgeon does. That's why she's going for Indeyref2 before the axe falls.

 

[Val]

So TM says no to indyref2, at least not yet. No surprise there.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Struth.
The recent actions of Davis....the man with no plan, The Hamster doing screeching U turns and now PM Mayhem latest ravings the BBC Scotlandshire political pundits seem to have all converted to Independence. Has hell frozen over.

 

[Old Skier]

Struth.
The recent actions of Davis....the man with no plan,

Bugger stolen Sturgons ideas.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

So TM says no to indyref2, at least not yet. No surprise there.

The sensible option is to have Indy 2 about 6 months after we have actually left the EU, not announced leaving but actually left. The UK govt needs to concentrate on dealing with Brexit and all of its implications. Once the deal has been done and cleared off the desks the coast is clear for all that a referendum brings. The voters can then make a decision with the full implications of Brexit clear to see and if they vote to leave the UK then the govt officials can deal with that without having to deal with Brussels at the same time. It was impractical to expect any govt to be able to deal with two divorces at the same time, if it comes to that.

Indyref2 is coming but it should not be to the detriment of the UK as a whole so TM is quite right to push it back for now.

 

[Val]

The sensible option is to have Indy 2 about 6 months after we have actually left the EU, not announced leaving but actually left. The UK govt needs to concentrate on dealing with Brexit and all of its implications. Once the deal has been done and cleared off the desks the coast is clear for all that a referendum brings. The voters can then make a decision with the full implications of Brexit clear to see and if they vote to leave the UK then the govt officials can deal with that without having to deal with Brussels at the same time. It was impractical to expect any govt to be able to deal with two divorces at the same time, if it comes to that.

Indyref2 is coming but it should not be to the detriment of the UK as a whole so TM is quite right to push it back for now.

100% agree. We do not know what a U.K. Free from the EU is going to look like so how can people make an informed choice

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So TM says no to indyref2, at least not yet. No surprise there.

Same as Nicola said......they are both in agreement.

Now read tomorrows newspapers for a totally different story.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

QT from sleepy old Bognar tonight........should be comedy gold.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Same as Nicola said......they are both in agreement.

Now read tomorrows newspapers for a totally different story.

Didn't seem as though Sturgeon was agreeing when she was accusing May of being undemocratic on Twitter earlier today and suggesting that it would have been similar to if Brussels had said the UK couldn't have a referendum.

 

[ColchesterFC]

My favourite but was this.....

Ms Sturgeon, the Scottish first minister, told BBC Scotland: "It is an argument for independence really in a nutshell, that Westminster thinks it has got the right to block the democratically elected mandate of the Scottish government and the majority in the Scottish Parliament.
"You know history may look back on today and see it as the day the fate of the union was sealed."


As far as the first point goes then yes, by law, Westminster does have the right to block the referendum.

And as the second point is your sole raison d'etre why are you getting so het up about it?

 

[KenL]

Once in a generation, that is what they said a couple of years ago.

The SNP can jog on. The majority of Scots do not want independence let alone another ref so soon. They just don't listen.

 

[Val]

Once in a generation, that is what they said a couple of years ago.

The SNP can jog on. The majority of Scots do not want independence let alone another ref so soon. They just don't listen.

Correct

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Correct

So what you're saying is, there should be a referendum, on whether or not to hold a referendum?

 

[spongebob59]

So what you're saying is, there should be a referendum, on whether or not to hold a referendum?

I was thinking that too 😊

 

[lobthewedge]

"Thats enough nicola, away'n play for now and let the grown ups talk"

 

[Val]

So what you're saying is, there should be a referendum, on whether or not to hold a referendum?

No, as per the quoted post I'm agreeing that it was once on a generation and the majority of scots don't want Independence or another referendum

 

[Raesy92]

Well if Scotland do not want it again, let us decide for ourselves and you may be proven correct.

I would imagine a failed second vote so soon after the first one will see the SNP lose credibility.

 

[KenL]

Well if Scotland do not want it again, let us decide for ourselves and you may be proven correct.

I would imagine a failed second vote so soon after the first one will see the SNP lose credibility.

I don't think they currently have any credibility! All in the garden is not rosey but all they are interested in is another referendum.

 

[Hobbit]

May tells Sturgeon, "no referendum vote for at least 6 years." Prove you have a mandate for independence at the 2021 Scottish elections.

Mmm, a bit canny. That could be a double edged sword for the SNP. That could see SNP election voters, but no voters for independence, either not voting in the election or switching their vote to another party. Could be a bit of a blinder there by May.