FairwayDodger
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I'm calling BS on this, certainly as far as JK Rowling is concerned.
I'm calling BS on this, certainly as far as JK Rowling is concerned.
Doon frae Troon
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14578111.JK_Rowling__Scotland_will_see_independence_after_Brexit/
Perhaps more stating the bleedin obvious that supporting
Val
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14578111.JK_Rowling__Scotland_will_see_independence_after_Brexit/
Perhaps more stating the bleedin obvious that supporting
In that article written in June BTW she says Scotland will see independence after Brexit, she doesn't once say she supports it, so maybe the bleedin obvious isn't quite so.
If you are going to post a link to back your claims at least post an accurate one
FairwayDodger
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14578111.JK_Rowling__Scotland_will_see_independence_after_Brexit/
Perhaps more stating the bleedin obvious that supporting
Yip, as I thought - BS.
The headline isn't even what she said...
chippa1909
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That feeling when after the eighth pina colada, you've sobered up to find you actually went through with the "Wee White Chapel" thing in Las Vegas....
It's going to take a lot to beat this post in 2017 😁😁🙌
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Glad to see you are picking up some Burns. Try reading a bit more and you'll learn about patriotic international socialism, and what it means for brotherhood and sisterhood beyond the borders of your own country.
SocketRocket
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Picking up, PICKING UP! I'll let you know I can recite the complete 'Address to the Haggis' and with an accent that has been vouched authentic by Scotsmen.
Mmm, international socialism... remind me how much you bang on about Scotland, almost exclusively in terms of Brexit.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Burns was a very patriotic international socialist - very different from a national socialist.
And how does that answer the question I posed?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Good summary of where Scotland is at the moment by Grousebeater.
A long read but worth it.
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2017/01/28/the-tartan-elephant/
A long read but worth it.
https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2017/01/28/the-tartan-elephant/
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Because Burns was a fervent patriot - but his patriotism was about pride in Scotland and the ability and need for Scots to self-improve. But the self-improvement is not only for the benefit of Scots and Scotland. Because the improvement is worthless and Scotland cannot become a better place unless at the same time it contributes as fully as it can internationally - caring as much for others; other nations and other peoples as much as it cares about itself and it's own.
I personally wouldn't begrudge the Scots another independence referendum at all. Last time they were told that leaving the UK meant also leaving the EU. Now that the UK is likely to leave the EU, this will happen anyway. I am sure that the EU would bend over backwards to accept Scotland as a member if the rest of the UK left.
FairwayDodger
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How embarrassing! So many scots with massive chips on their shoulders and rabid anti-English attitudes. This guy is completely deluded. The only thing he gets right is how ineffective the labour party has become.
The Spanish would block it for starters. Next up, Scotland would be a taker rather than a contributor. Why would the EU bend over backwards to take in another country that takes out money rather than puts money in?
SocketRocket
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I can find no evidence that Scotland was told that voting to stay in the UK meant they would stay in the EU. I keep hearing this argument being used but can anyone show a link that proves it was said
That was definitely one of the arguments used to persuade the Scots to stay in the U.K. during the previous indyref. It was also argued that as an independent nation Scotland would not meet the criteria for joining the EU, or for trading in the Single Market.
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ColchesterFC
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Currently they wouldn't. A country wishing to join has to have a budget deficit of less than 3% of GDP. Scotland has a deficit of between 8 and 10% depending on which figures you look at. To qualify for EU membership the Scottish government would have to make cuts >5% of their spending to achieve this, and to put that in perspective that amount is greater than the spending cuts the Tories are currently making that the SNP are complaining about.
MarkE
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You jest surely? The last thing the eu want at the moment is another drain on their resources.
