ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Without yet having read it I assume by "well written piece" you mean that it agrees with your point of view.
I'll now read it to confirm my suspicions.
Without yet having read it I assume by "well written piece" you mean that it agrees with your point of view.
I'll now read it to confirm my suspicions.
Crazyface
Tour Winner
It should come out of SNP funds. They want the thing, THEY should pay for it. Like in real life. You get the first one for free, then if you want another one, YOU PAY !
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
A well written piece using some fairly emotive language. "Wrenching Scotland out of the single market, regardless of the fact she has no mandate to do so". Another person that fails to understand that Scotland isn't a member of the single market any more than England or Wales are. The UK is a member of the single market and the UK, which Scotland voted to remain a part of, voted to leave the EU and as a result MIGHT not have the same access to the single market as it had before.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
BTW - it's not just the SNP who want Independence - Greens, some Labour, some Lib Dems also want independence. Indeed some (though not that many) SNP supporters don't actually want independence.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
By BT and Westminster stating in the Independence Referendum that Scotland was an equal partner in the UK - and then excluding the (Tory) Scottish Secretary from the core Brexit team - May is playing straight into the hands of the Indy crowd and the SNP government.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Not quite so - you pay your membership of the golf club and you can play as many times as you want - for free. Scotland is part of the UK Club - as we is always being told.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
But it isn't a UK referendum it's a Scottish one. Continuing your analogy how would you feel if you paid to join your golf club and then half way through your membership you were told that you had to pay extra for a competition at your neighbouring club. Oh and by the way you can't take part in that competition.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
Does it really matter what the government at Westminster does? They could pay off the mortgage for everyone in Scotland and announce 0% income tax for all Scottish workers and you'd still get that awful wee Jimmy Krankie woman standing at the top of Arthur's Seat, with a saltire painted on her face, yelling "Freedom".
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yup - I'd be cheesed off - but are you not making my point? Scotland has paid it's membership subs for Club UK - and there is no limit specified as part of membership to the number of referendums that the UK or any member of the UK can have called.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Indeed she would - because she is the leader of the SNP - but she might not find so many people listening.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Oh dear.
Pretty certain that as a member of the golf club you don't get invited to every meeting the committee holds, using you golf club example later in the thread, and decisions affecting your club are made every month...
CheltenhamHacker
Journeyman Pro
In what way has Scotland "paid it's membership subs"? I thought there was some debate but it was largely accepted that Scotland operates in a deficit...
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
It's not the same as playing at a neighbouring club though in reality it's like not being able to play in the juniors, seniors or ladies comps. Perfectly acceptable.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I'm not suggesting that it's not acceptable or that the rest of the UK should be allowed to take part. It's a decision for the Scottish people to make. But why should someone have to pay for a junior comp, for example, if they aren't allowed to play in it?
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
You guys are losing me with the golf club metaphor but I think there's a lot of point missing going on all round.
It's politics and by excluding the Scottish government from the planning and negotiations they are playing right into the snp's hands. They will make maximum political capital from that as they try to stoke anti-Westminster sentiment here. At least try and make it difficult for them!
It's politics and by excluding the Scottish government from the planning and negotiations they are playing right into the snp's hands. They will make maximum political capital from that as they try to stoke anti-Westminster sentiment here. At least try and make it difficult for them!
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Except all committees are made up of members or members reps. Tell me why the Scottish Secretary should not be on the core team - after all he is a Tory so hardly likely to 'leak' what is discussed and agreed.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Exactly. Someone might come up with a very good reason why it is inappropriate for the Scottish Secretary to be in the core team - but May surely recognises that by excluding Mundell she is playing right into the hands of the SNP.
How big is the core team now? If the Scottish sec was included then you would also need to add the Welsh and Irish as well, no English sec of course..........What starts as a core becomes a huge committee and too cumbersome. You can't include everyone if you want it to actually make decisions. People need to be grown up about it but they don't want to as that doesn't suit their own agenda.
