srixon 1
Journeyman Pro
Played 14 holes yesterday. Bogey bogey start, birdie birdie finish. 10 pars in the middle. Considering I’ve not played for 7 weeks, except for range and short game I was happy with how I played.
I played today and..(Rolling) -originally created by JohnnyDee
- Thread starter Imurg
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Mel Smooth
Hacker
Had a knock round Huddersfield with Jamie and another junior - Edward. 2 over for the boy and Ed was 6 over - he's only 12 but his game is on point, doesn't miss much at all and he played solid golf. Jamie scrambled for his 72 - struck the ball well off the tee but missed a lot of greens, but with just 21 putts over the 18 holes he was well worth a good score. I thought my 27 putts was brilliant until buggerlugs totted his number up.
Another good round for me following on from Woodhall Spa on Tuesday - I should see my handicap cut by near enough 1 full shot overnight.
Another good round for me following on from Woodhall Spa on Tuesday - I should see my handicap cut by near enough 1 full shot overnight.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Lost QF of our winter league today. Myself and my partner had 1 shot, but 3 holes were closed, including SI 1, so never got it.
Meanwhile, one opponent had 5 shots (getting 4 of them due to shut hole). One of them was the 10th, normally a 400 yard uphill, par 4. Today, it was 160 yards with a bucket hole. He birdied that. Another was the 530 yard par 5 15th, today playing 200 yards with bucket hole. He birdied that, despite a duffed chip that went a few inches.
Ended up losing 1 down. Ahh well, winter golf, at least we were out in the fresh air. Good, close game.
Meanwhile, one opponent had 5 shots (getting 4 of them due to shut hole). One of them was the 10th, normally a 400 yard uphill, par 4. Today, it was 160 yards with a bucket hole. He birdied that. Another was the 530 yard par 5 15th, today playing 200 yards with bucket hole. He birdied that, despite a duffed chip that went a few inches.
Ended up losing 1 down. Ahh well, winter golf, at least we were out in the fresh air. Good, close game.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
What the hell?
What's the rule for this?? If you were meant to get 3 shots and stroke indexes 1, 2 and 3 happened to be closed surely you wouldn't just get no shots!?Swango1980
Well-known member
There is nothing written down. So as a group, we just agreed to play it as it is, and luck of the draw as to whether we get our shot or not (although SI 1 is normally closed, if any holes are closed).What the hell?
As I said, winter golf, so I just sort of accept it for what it is. Only really enter to have a bit of fun in close season. Slightly frustrating that we all 5 group games, and then lost in the first elimination round.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
What the hell?
It’s called tough luck
That’s just the way it goes
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
If they were all closed I wouldn’t be getting any shots. But then that shouldn’t matter as the other indexes I wouldn’t get shots on anyway, so if I’m only playing 15 holes that I wouldn’t usually get shots on I haven’t lost out anywhere.What the hell?
Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
What nonsense? You'd be playing a scratch match against someone who's handicap is 3 better than yours. That's not fair is it? Even if you pro-rata it to 15 holes, 3 shots over 18 equals 2.5 shots over 15, so rounds up to 3 anyway, or maybe works out as 2 with the vagaries of course handicap etc, but no less than 2.
The stroke index simply indicates where you will give or receive shots, it's not saying those are the only you need shots.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
What nonsense? You'd be playing a scratch match against someone who's handicap is 3 better than yours. That's not fair is it? Even if you pro-rata it to 15 holes, 3 shots over 18 equals 2.5 shots over 15, so rounds up to 3 anyway, or maybe works out as 2 with the vagaries of course handicap etc, but no less than 2.
The stroke index simply indicates where you will give or receive shots, it's not saying those are the only you need shots.
Again that’s just the way it goes
It’s not nonsense at all
And since when did it need to be fair
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Literally the only purpose of handicaps and shots is make it equitable and fair. Not surprising two low players are arguing against it, I'm sure you hate giving shots to all and sundry.
Anyway let's just hope it never happens to anyone and is a moot point - unlikely that stroke 1, 2 and 3 would be closed and the rest of the course open. I was just wondering if there was an actual rule to cover it. Obviously not.
Arthur Wedge
Well-known member
Literally the only purpose of handicaps and shots is make it equitable and fair. Not surprising two low players are arguing against it, I'm sure you hate giving shots to all and sundry.
Anyway let's just hope it never happens to anyone and is a moot point - unlikely that stroke 1, 2 and 3 would be closed and the rest of the course open. I was just wondering if there was an actual rule to cover it. Obviously not.
We are currently at 15 holes , Si 1 and 3 are closed - all the winter league games are going on
In the swindle on Sunday I get 1 shot , put it’s on a hole that’s closed - oh well
There is no need to have a rule
It is fair - you get your allocated shots on the SI holes where they are applicable
You don’t get to “move around your shots” if holes are closed
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Just when we thought we'd get 18 in for the first time this year.......
An incredibly slow roll up just beat us to the 1st tee...we started on 10 and didn't quite get round in time.
A 3 ball was halfway to the green and the 2nd 3 ball was about to tee off when another person arrived.....
As, on that 9, you can only play in 2s or 3s until 9.15 they went off in 2 x 2s.....leaving us waiting even longer...not a disaster
But then the 3 bal. Didn't let the 2 balls through, the 2 balls were slow anyway and we were spending more time standing around that playing or walking.
So we cut across from the 2nd to the 8th - nobody coming up the 7th- played I and 9 and went in a d left them to it.
PITA as we've still not managed to complete 18 this year due to weather, carry only or injuries and it looked like today was the day...
Played OK, nice 2 on the 8th, 25 points for the 13 holes played....
An incredibly slow roll up just beat us to the 1st tee...we started on 10 and didn't quite get round in time.
A 3 ball was halfway to the green and the 2nd 3 ball was about to tee off when another person arrived.....
As, on that 9, you can only play in 2s or 3s until 9.15 they went off in 2 x 2s.....leaving us waiting even longer...not a disaster
But then the 3 bal. Didn't let the 2 balls through, the 2 balls were slow anyway and we were spending more time standing around that playing or walking.
So we cut across from the 2nd to the 8th - nobody coming up the 7th- played I and 9 and went in a d left them to it.
PITA as we've still not managed to complete 18 this year due to weather, carry only or injuries and it looked like today was the day...
Played OK, nice 2 on the 8th, 25 points for the 13 holes played....
Lucifer MorningStar
Well-known member
It’s not nonsense at all. That’s how the index is laid out for me to get 2 shots over 18 holes, more specifically those 2 holes in particular. If we’re playing 15 holes and both those holes are closed I’m not losing out as I’m not playing those holes I would be entitled to shots on. Likewise who I’m playing against isn’t getting shots on themWhat nonsense? You'd be playing a scratch match against someone who's handicap is 3 better than yours. That's not fair is it? Even if you pro-rata it to 15 holes, 3 shots over 18 equals 2.5 shots over 15, so rounds up to 3 anyway, or maybe works out as 2 with the vagaries of course handicap etc, but no less than 2.
The stroke index simply indicates where you will give or receive shots, it's not saying those are the only you need shots.
Either so it’s all balanced out!
Plus if I’m playing 15 not 18 then I won’t be playing in a competition, would just be social or bounce games which I’m happy to play off scratch.
Swango1980
Well-known member
You are correct.Literally the only purpose of handicaps and shots is make it equitable and fair. Not surprising two low players are arguing against it, I'm sure you hate giving shots to all and sundry.
Anyway let's just hope it never happens to anyone and is a moot point - unlikely that stroke 1, 2 and 3 would be closed and the rest of the course open. I was just wondering if there was an actual rule to cover it. Obviously not.
If you were to be really official about it, you'd pro-rata handicaps. After all, if only 9 holes were open, you should only get half a handicap allowance. You'd also need to work out new indices for each hole, to decide where shots are given. I can't imagine anyone will do that, but I suppose they could just renumber the indices of the holes that are actually open.
But, in practical terms for the specific competition we were playing, we just played normal handicaps, pot luck which holes are open and what their Stroke Indicies are. We were not playing in the Ryder Cup.
Swango1980
Well-known member
If you get 2 shots over 18 holes , you should be entitled to 1.78 shots over 16 holes (rounded up to 2). Therefore, in fairness, you should still get 2 shots, technically on the hardest 2 holes that remain open.
rulie
Head Pro
How does one decide "the two hardest holes"? Is it just by consensus? The handicap index is intended to represent the difficulty of a hole.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
We were talking about match play, I thought. Obviously if you're all playing stroke play, everyone loses a shot on the same hole so whatever, who cares.
Swango1980
Well-known member
No idea, which is why we just kept it simple and sacrificed our shots on the closed hole.
I suppose you could just redo all indices, make them 1-16 instead of 1-18. So it SI 18 was still open, it becomes SI 16. You'd then need to scribble it all on the card to remind yourself. A bit of a hassle, so not really worth the bother in the winter league
Swango1980
Well-known member
But in stroke play everyones handicap would be 16/18ths of their full handicap
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harpo_72
Journeyman Pro
7 holes this morning, was lovely on the drive .. but windy at the golf course!!
Amazing start of 3 putting everything. So decided to only carry on if I made birdies on the next 3 holes .. of course this was not going to happen so I set the car warmer going.
Tee to green was good even into the wind it was just putting.. short, missed short putts .. I had a little practice and I had got into hitting or rapping the putt which just doesn’t work for me. I like fast greens that require smooth back and through.. or minimal effort because I am lazy!
Amazing start of 3 putting everything. So decided to only carry on if I made birdies on the next 3 holes .. of course this was not going to happen so I set the car warmer going.
Tee to green was good even into the wind it was just putting.. short, missed short putts .. I had a little practice and I had got into hitting or rapping the putt which just doesn’t work for me. I like fast greens that require smooth back and through.. or minimal effort because I am lazy!
