I Know it is Tradition but it is Still Annoying

[Oddsocks]

I don't think the tradition is the problem, i think the way it way carried out (as per GB's version anyway) could have been done in a lot better manor. Silly things like would you mind if we cue jumped... dont hurt, and " if we hold you up we will of course call you straight through " wouldnt have gone a miss either.

 

[chrisd]

Absolute utter pish.

Clubs will always run, with or without a captain what will change? A committee/board will always be elected and run the club. Infact I'll tell you what the match secretary is more deserving of a free tee time/honour on the tee than someone who has achieved the ultimate goal of what THEY want when appointed club captain.

A self obsessed goal which they can add to their CV and impress their circle of friends with by saying they are the Captain.

Captains are not appointed they put themselves forward because they want to become involved and have some sort of status, its because they need to have this, not because the club wants them.

As I say they would not move me from the tee. I pay my fees.

Your answer just shows a lack of understanding of how most, certainly private, golf clubs are run, how captains and committee members are chosen and the reason why people do work for the clubs to which they belong. You make hugely sweeping statements and assumptions that in my experience are just not norm in most clubs.

I have played golf at private clubs for about 15 years and the Captain have changed each year. Yes, some need it on their CV's, but not many, in my experience. Most have the time and skills necessary to devote and have been long standing committee members and are willing to give freely of their spare time - for most its not a ego trip but a strongly held belief that they are assisting the members with their golf. When I was asked to be elected to the committee it was because I had many years of committee experience, have a business sense from running my own company, got on with and knew a lot of the members and so were in touch with their views and at the end of my 5 years felt that I had contributed to the good of the club. I was asked a number of times if I wanted to accept the Captains role but never wanted to and therefore declined.

The final point is that giving way to a Captain is not a rule at my club but is a tradition, if it was a rule at your club and you broke it, I take it that you would happily be discipined for it? I think that the answer would be that you would storm out of the club in a fit of pique


Chris

 

[chrisd]

I don't think the tradition is the problem, i think the way it way carried out (as per GB's version anyway) could have been done in a lot better manor. Silly things like would you mind if we cue jumped... dont hurt, and " if we hold you up we will of course call you straight through " wouldnt have gone a miss either.

You are right of course OS the manner in which all concerned conduct themselves is what really counts. On the odd times that the Captain has appeared on the tee when I've been there (no more than 6 times in 12 years, I would guess) the players have invited him through, not the other way round.


Chris

 

[Oddsocks]

my point exactly, be invited, or even suggest it in a polite and subtle manor, but i get the impression from the original post that the captain pretty much said " im the captain and this is the rule so im doing it..." which isn't the way i would personally go about it.

 

[GB72]

You are right of course OS the manner in which all concerned conduct themselves is what really counts. On the odd times that the Captain has appeared on the tee when I've been there (no more than 6 times in 12 years, I would guess) the players have invited him through, not the other way round.


Chris

I think these posts pretty much hit the nail on the head. The way in which it was dealt with was probably more of an issue. As I said in the original post, I have no problems in general with tradition or with our captain. I think the other issue was when we pointed out that we had time constraints this was met with a 'so have we' and a brushing aside of the point.

 

[Oddsocks]

I think the other issue was when we pointed out that we had time constraints this was met with a 'so have we' and a brushing aside of the point.

I think that is the biggest issue, your restraints didnt matter... which is very ignorant.

 

[thecraw]

Your answer just shows a lack of understanding of how most, certainly private, golf clubs are run, how captains and committee members are chosen and the reason why people do work for the clubs to which they belong. You make hugely sweeping statements and assumptions that in my experience are just not norm in most clubs.

I have played golf at private clubs for about 15 years and the Captain have changed each year. Yes, some need it on their CV's, but not many, in my experience. Most have the time and skills necessary to devote and have been long standing committee members and are willing to give freely of their spare time - for most its not a ego trip but a strongly held belief that they are assisting the members with their golf. When I was asked to be elected to the committee it was because I had many years of committee experience, have a business sense from running my own company, got on with and knew a lot of the members and so were in touch with their views and at the end of my 5 years felt that I had contributed to the good of the club. I was asked a number of times if I wanted to accept the Captains role but never wanted to and therefore declined.

The final point is that giving way to a Captain is not a rule at my club but is a tradition, if it was a rule at your club and you broke it, I take it that you would happily be discipined for it? I think that the answer would be that you would storm out of the club in a fit of pique


Chris

I've been a member of private golf clubs all my life so I think I know how they opperate and why committees are appointed. As you say these people "THINK" they are assisting and are in essence really only enforcing their own ideas and beliefs. Throughout my time as a member I've experienced great club captains and some absolute clowns, I know of ones who abuse their position and those who will not even mention that they are club captain, christ I even know of one who ran up a 4k bar bill during his term as captain which the members had to pick up.

Golf clubs are stuck in their ways and captains who wish to abuse their position by jumping onto the tee infront of other members don't help.

As I have stated Chris I would refuse to stand aside period!

As for disciplined, for what? Excuse me Mr craw, I understand that you had waited in the ball queue to get onto the first tee when the captain asked to jump the queue and go out before you is that correct?

"yes"

Why did you not stand aside for the Club Captain?

"simple really, I'm an equal member, I pay my fees and I waited in the queue for me tee slot. I refuse to allow any person to jump me unless its for a tie going back up 19!"

Its a local rule.

"and what? Club Captain or not he's not a better member than me, he may hold a position but its a position that shouldn't be abused."

Dont do it again.

"I will!"


Where are we going to go from there?

 

[Dodger]

Thankfully I have never heard of or came across such a ridiculous ruling.

I am with Craw on this.

There are many,many clubs where the Captain does hee haw for the club but certain members of the Committee do so should those on committee who get 'their hands dirty' get this treatment??

Not in your life,and if it happened at a club I was a member at I doubt I would be hanging around long.

Outdated and archaic.

 

[chrisd]

I've been a member of private golf clubs all my life so I think I know how they opperate and why committees are appointed. As you say these people "THINK" they are assisting and are in essence really only enforcing their own ideas and beliefs. Throughout my time as a member I've experienced great club captains and some absolute clowns, I know of ones who abuse their position and those who will not even mention that they are club captain, christ I even know of one who ran up a 4k bar bill during his term as captain which the members had to pick up.

Golf clubs are stuck in their ways and captains who wish to abuse their position by jumping onto the tee infront of other members don't help.

As I have stated Chris I would refuse to stand aside period!

As for disciplined, for what? Excuse me Mr craw, I understand that you had waited in the ball queue to get onto the first tee when the captain asked to jump the queue and go out before you is that correct?

"yes"

Why did you not stand aside for the Club Captain?

"simple really, I'm an equal member, I pay my fees and I waited in the queue for me tee slot. I refuse to allow any person to jump me unless its for a tie going back up 19!"

Its a local rule.

"and what? Club Captain or not he's not a better member than me, he may hold a position but its a position that shouldn't be abused."

Dont do it again.

"I will!"


Where are we going to go from there?

Crikey!! and there's me thinking that the years I have spent sincerely helping others, whilst I have done committee work, have been appreciated, and, in reality, the members of the various clubs I have helped have just taken the view that I, and my colleagues, were just doing it for ouselves - I'm glad to be off the golf club committee and all I have to do is resign from the football club as I couldn't live with the 5 year olds and the under 10' s realising it's all about me me me!


Chris

 

[rosecott]

No names, no pack drill, but there are contributors to this thread who snipe from behind the barricades at those who give up their time to ensure that golf clubs continue to exist but disappear into the distance when it is suggested that they could help by volunteering their wisdom and experience.

 

[chrisd]

No names, no pack drill, but there are contributors to this thread who snipe from behind the barricades at those who give up their time to ensure that golf clubs continue to exist but disappear into the distance when it is suggested that they could help by volunteering their wisdom and experience.

Mmmmmmmm do you know, I just think you might be right!


Chris

 

[elliottlale]

before reading this and due to being a member of a private golf club since march, i didnt realise this was 'tradition'. if i had known beforehand and wasnt willing to abide, would i have joined, NO! however, to me, it really doesnt matter. 5 mins extra id have to wait to tee off. and as i normally play in a 2 ball, id like to think he would offer me the same courtesy by waving me through at some point!
those that dont want to uphold this tradition, leave your club through principal. you dont have to be a member and your grown men arguing about who plays a game before another group of men! is this really all you have to argue about??

 

[Oddsocks]

no blade, we could argue about distances and tackle size too.

 

[chrisd]

before reading this and due to being a member of a private golf club since march, i didnt realise this was 'tradition'. if i had known beforehand and wasnt willing to abide, would i have joined, NO! however, to me, it really doesnt matter. 5 mins extra id have to wait to tee off. and as i normally play in a 2 ball, id like to think he would offer me the same courtesy by waving me through at some point!
those that dont want to uphold this tradition, leave your club through principal. you dont have to be a member and your grown men arguing about who plays a game before another group of men! is this really all you have to argue about??

It's not a golf tradition Elliott, but is a tradition at quite a lot of clubs.

Even though our Captain this year is someone who I absolutely have no respect for, I would still invite him to play through, as I respect the Captains position.

I find it funny that people are saying that they would, in effect, tell the Captain where to go if he asked to be extended the right that his golf club had conferred on him, and that some even say that they would leave if it happened - I wonder what would happen if the club were to request a member to leave the club if they failed to observe the rule - mayhem I would guess!


Chris

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I`m sure the captain and committee do a lot for golf clubs and I'm also sure they give up a lot of their time and money but for me this isn't about that. It's about getting up early enough to play if you are pushed for time and if you can't do that, don't play.

As I said in a previous post, the captain most likely gets to play more often this time of year than most of the guys on the 1st tee who are probably playing their one round of the week. If it's too dark for the captain to get round then the captain knows full well him jumping the queue means someone else will most likely finish in the dark - how is that right or decent? Forget the tradition it's about common decency.

 

[chrisd]

It's about getting up early enough to play if you are pushed for time and if you can't do that, don't play.

As I said in a previous post, the captain most likely gets to play more often this time of year than most of the guys on the 1st tee who are probably playing their one round of the week. If it's too dark for the captain to get round then the captain knows full well him jumping the queue means someone else will most likely finish in the dark - how is that right or decent?

I absolutely agree that a Captain wishing to make use of this tradition should be totally fair and not barge through knowing that others would not get a full round in. I always play in the early morning so it wouldn't be an issue for me and my group. The posting were more about whether he should actually have the right to walk to the front of the tee rather than the timing of his appearance


Chris

 

[GB72]

The post was more about the way in which it happened, the fact that it was made clear that we were not playing through and the fact that whilst it is a tradition it makes it no less annoying when it happens to you. I have never said that it should not happen and I duly stood aside but any form of queue jumping whether you have the right to do so or not annoys me. The further point was not just the 10 minutes on the tee but the half an hour or so that it added to the round playing behind a mixed four ball that meant that two of our group could not finish the round

 

[chrisd]

The post was more about the way in which it happened, the fact that it was made clear that we were not playing through and the fact that whilst it is a tradition it makes it no less annoying when it happens to you. I have never said that it should not happen and I duly stood aside but any form of queue jumping whether you have the right to do so or not annoys me. The further point was not just the 10 minutes on the tee but the half an hour or so that it added to the round playing behind a mixed four ball that meant that two of our group could not finish the round

I agree with you GB but I came in when the postings changed direction to the - " I wouldn't move aside " mob.


Chris

 

[Steve71163]

I have always been a one for tradition but what he did is plain rude Captain or not.
To me its just about decentcy.

 

[patricks148]

The post was more about the way in which it happened, the fact that it was made clear that we were not playing through and the fact that whilst it is a tradition it makes it no less annoying when it happens to you. I have never said that it should not happen and I duly stood aside but any form of queue jumping whether you have the right to do so or not annoys me. The further point was not just the 10 minutes on the tee but the half an hour or so that it added to the round playing behind a mixed four ball that meant that two of our group could not finish the round

I think that this was just down right rude.


It’s the circumstances that would annoy me. I’m all for tradition, but not to behave like that.

I play at Tain with the previous captain and I know he would never do this if people had been queuing for any length of time in the cold. One of the guys I play with at Nairn is vice Captain this year and Captain next and he even gave me his place one Saturday morning cos he knew it was my only game of the weekend. its this sort of thing which builts respect, not pushing in.