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Region3 said:
Thanks for all the replies, it's been very encouraging and enlightening.

I am nothing to do with the decision about whether or not to let her play and her team to win or not. I'm her dad.

She's been going to girls only group lessons for a couple of years, and I've taken her on the course a couple of times.
We've made it round the par 3 course, but on the main course she doesn't have the determination to finish a round for handicap purposes with all the bad that inevitably happens. After PJ's (thank you :thup:) post above I might take her out for hc rounds and just pick up when she can't make treble, that would make it more fun for her.
If she did play 18 she wouldn't get near playing to 54, but might throw in a couple of doubles or maybe even a bogey on the odd good hole. She gets her natural sporting ability from her mother.

The competition day is her Birthday as well, and I thought it would be nice to play golf together. The fact that it's a scramble means she can ignore her bad shots and not take any more time playing a hole than anyone else.

I'm chuffed that we're included in the comp proper, for her more than me and my mates, but I don't want any snide comments if we do play well so I'm leaning towards asking for her to play off a lower handicap than 54, maybe 36? That way no-one can say we have an advantage (even though we wouldn't off 54).
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I wouldn't worry one single bit about any snide comments - let her play of 54 and just enjoy herself , if you ask her to reduce it a little she might start to question why and then feel pressure etc. If anyone is that sad to post snide comments that's their issue Gary

We had an adult junior Scramble yesterday - a couple brought their kids along - one played off 54 the other off 36 - they came second and the kids were loving it - believe they have both signed up for junior group lessons looking to join the club in jan

I hope you have a great time with your daughter and it's a day that will make you enjoy golf even more
 
Region3 said:
We have no maximum handicap for the team.

The teams are up on the notice board so we know the rest of them. Their handicaps add up to 25.

If it was a 3 person team they would get 1/6 hc, so 4.2
Being a 4 person team it's 1/10 so if the junior played off 54 that would make an allowance of 7.9 for the team.

So that's an extra 3.7 shots (over the 3 person team) offset by having to use 4 of the junior's tee shots. I think overall that's a disadvantage but by no means puts them out of it.
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If you didn't have the drive quota I'd be inclined to say no as the other members of the team could be seen as effectively buying handicap shots. If they've got to use 4 tee shots and it's a fun comp, then let's encourage the participation. And if she's entered in a team then she's in the comp; none of this you can play but you can't win rubbish.
 
Region3 said:
Thanks for all the replies, it's been very encouraging and enlightening.

I am nothing to do with the decision about whether or not to let her play and her team to win or not. I'm her dad.

She's been going to girls only group lessons for a couple of years, and I've taken her on the course a couple of times.
We've made it round the par 3 course, but on the main course she doesn't have the determination to finish a round for handicap purposes with all the bad that inevitably happens. After PJ's (thank you :thup:) post above I might take her out for hc rounds and just pick up when she can't make treble, that would make it more fun for her.
If she did play 18 she wouldn't get near playing to 54, but might throw in a couple of doubles or maybe even a bogey on the odd good hole. She gets her natural sporting ability from her mother.

The competition day is her Birthday as well, and I thought it would be nice to play golf together. The fact that it's a scramble means she can ignore her bad shots and not take any more time playing a hole than anyone else.

I'm chuffed that we're included in the comp proper, for her more than me and my mates, but I don't want any snide comments if we do play well so I'm leaning towards asking for her to play off a lower handicap than 54, maybe 36? That way no-one can say we have an advantage (even though we wouldn't off 54).
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Gary, I think it's great it's her birthday and you both get to play together, playing Devil's advocate I believe you'd be right to give her a handicap you are happy with, because as you say there are snides and miserable people out there and you want to may make sure she is protected and has a fun day. If it had been an easy situation or you had no worries, you wouldn't of posed the question.
 
You don't walk into a football, rugby, hockey club as an outright beginner and say I want to compete in a match at the weekend...

Although I'd be less bothered about this in Texas Scramble in winter rules, it's a bit of fun.
But still feel any competitor in any competition should be playing with a properly earned recognised handicap.

Earning a competition worthy handicap is a "rite of passage" and therefore there should be a max limit as per the rules/guidelines in any stroke or matchplay format IMHO.
We all had to submit cards for our handicap and unless we're changing the system altogether it should be same for everyone.
 
Region3 said:
Thanks for all the replies, it's been very encouraging and enlightening.

I am nothing to do with the decision about whether or not to let her play and her team to win or not. I'm her dad.

She's been going to girls only group lessons for a couple of years, and I've taken her on the course a couple of times.
We've made it round the par 3 course, but on the main course she doesn't have the determination to finish a round for handicap purposes with all the bad that inevitably happens. After PJ's (thank you :thup:) post above I might take her out for hc rounds and just pick up when she can't make treble, that would make it more fun for her.
If she did play 18 she wouldn't get near playing to 54, but might throw in a couple of doubles or maybe even a bogey on the odd good hole. She gets her natural sporting ability from her mother.

The competition day is her Birthday as well, and I thought it would be nice to play golf together. The fact that it's a scramble means she can ignore her bad shots and not take any more time playing a hole than anyone else.

I'm chuffed that we're included in the comp proper, for her more than me and my mates, but I don't want any snide comments if we do play well so I'm leaning towards asking for her to play off a lower handicap than 54, maybe 36? That way no-one can say we have an advantage (even though we wouldn't off 54).
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rules out my plan then lol

have fun Gary, hope she has a great time
 
My wife was able to put in cards over 9-holes to accumulate 54 holes of play for her handicap.

And then the lady handicap secretary denied a handicap because she had not completed a hole, one hole out of all 54!
It was a par 3, she'd played 10 shots and we'd already let a group through, so I said pick up, it doesn't matter anyway as they can only give max +3 on any hole.
I was wrong... so wrong.

So that took all the summer, but she's very proud of her 32... well earned!
 
Region3 said:
A bit more info.

Her father is also a member at the club and would like her to play in his team. She isn't just some random junior that fancied entering a comp.

Fully expecting her either to not be eligible to win (in which case hc is irrelevant) or to have to play off scratch because she has no hc, the father asked the others in the team if they'd be ok with playing but not be able to win. They were both fine with it.

He then asked the comp sec if she could play (mentioning they're fine with not being able to win), and he came back with a 'yes' and that the team will be eligible for prizes if it pans out that way.



I can't imagine anyone begrudging her playing in the comp, but (and this probably says more about me than anyone else) I'd hate for anyone to have cause to be unhappy or complain about it if they do well, given that strictly speaking she shouldn't be playing let alone have a chance to win anything.
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Hope you all have a great day.

I suppose the only way to be sure not generate some comments, is have the comp sec take you up on the offer and the team be exempt from prizes. Could still be listed in the proper position in the results (so still "proper"). If he/she has any wits about him/her they could invent a special prize for the day, perhaps "youngest player carrying three old duffers" :) or something.
 
Gary go out and have a great day with your daughter (and friends).

Let her play off 54 as you know yourself thats a correct and fair handicap for her.

If others dont like it that says more about them than you or your daughter.

It is days like this that both you and your daughter will always remember, and creating memories like that are worth much more than worrying if some plonker who is full of his own importance has a moan.

Hope you both have a great day:thup:
 
irip said:
Gary go out and have a great day with your daughter (and friends).

Let her play off 54 as you know yourself thats a correct and fair handicap for her.

If others dont like it that says more about them than you or your daughter.

It is days like this that both you and your daughter will always remember, and creating memories like that are worth much more than worrying if some plonker who is full of his own importance has a moan.

Hope you both have a great day:thup:
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Well said and knowing Gary his daughter will be a credit to him.

Enjoy it Gaz time is precious with our sons and daughters
 
Why on earth would anyone object????? It's a Christmas comp, it's supposed to be fun and stress free. Play and I hope she's in the prizes. Beggars belief some people's reaction! Shame really..
 
You go for it Gary, I don't really see a problem with it. I was starting to wonder if it was some dishonest SOB trying to pull a fast one to win the turkey trot. But I think your going to have a great time and maybe it will give her the push to go get an official handicap.

Merry Christmas Gary, you have fun.
 
Cannot see anything wrong. You are effectively a 3 person team. Whilst stating the obvious a scratch golfer is worth more than 5.4 shots than a 54 handicapper in a scramble.

Hopefully if you achieve a par on her 4 drives you will all be elated.

She will be so proud playing with her father and hope everybody has a great day.

Sure you will tell us the result and also let us know how the speech went at The Prize Presentation!
 
Region3 said:
(Sorry for the useless title but couldn't think of anything better :o)

So, how would you feel about a junior girl with no handicap being allowed to play in a comp, off of 54?

It's only a fun Christmas comp (scramble), but there's an entry fee so presumably prizes on offer.

Obviously there's the first point about them not having a handicap, then playing off 54 instead of the highest handicap for women of 36, then waiving the rule about having to have played in 3 qualifiers in the last 12 months to be eligible for prizes?

It's Christmas, who cares, let her have fun?

....................... or .......................

Rules are rules, it isn't fair on everyone else?
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I played in a boys open moons ago at Kingsnowe golf club in Edinburgh, as i had missed my tee time they rearranged it so i could still get a game, went off last with two junior girls one being of 54 or more... i was off 4 at the time...

Golf is an inclusive game, there is no problem, so long as the person is not holding everyone up, i see that juniors should have no limit
 
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