Would you say anything?

[Shanks a lot!]

I hope the captain helped her with her shank problem.
Apparently, she gets them a lot

Lol, saw this thread this morning on my phone and couldn't resist!

 

[MashieNiblick]

Tough moral dilemma.

Is it a case of Rules is Rules and without them the game is a mockery or a bit of encouragement to a junior having a bad day, in a little local comp - "quality of mercy", proportionality, and all that?

Lots of good arguments on both sides.

I tend to err on the side of the latter because it seemed to be more misguided to my mind than out and out cheating and at the end of the day it's only a game. As to whether or not to report it I don't think anyone could accuse you of doing the wrong thing either way.

A couple of observations.

That said, all it should take is a quiet and polite chat to the playing partner just to say 'look, I haven't got a problem with it, but I saw you helping out the junior on the course and it's actually against the rules to do it - if someone else saw it, they'd have a right to complain'.

Nothing more than that. Keep it under the radar rather than going to the competition sec, otherwise you'll be branded a killjoy.

Hmm... but a player can't agree with another player to waive the Rules (Rule 1-3) so if you bring the breach to their attention and they accept they are breaking the Rules, they can't then agree between themselves not apply the Rule. DQ. Some would also argue that you can't then say you aren't going to do anything about it either. DQ for you too?

If I remember correctly...

If your opponent hits his tee shot to a par 3 before you and turns to you and say something like
'that's the best 6 iron I've hit today'
or
'I didn't think I'd reach with a 4'

then that's giving advice and you are within your rights to claim the hole.

Looks like you have remembered correctly Bob.

Decision 8-1/8 Comment About Club Selection After Stroke

Q. After playing a stroke, a player says: “I should have used a 5-iron.” Was the player in breach of Rule 8-1?

A. If the statement was made casually, there was no breach. If the statement was made to another player who had a shot to play from about the same position, there was a breach.

Could result in a few shots being added on to a few cards this weekend for anybody playing with readers of this thread.

Might be the end of a few friendships as well.

 

[Threeoffthetee]

I'd let her have her moment in the sun, she'll remember this for a long time and it did not effect you.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think having read this again I'd let it go. No-one got hurt, it was a small time event which she'll remember long after you've forgotten about it. If you really feel that strongly you need to listen to your own conscience and decide what you really think the best course of action is. If you feel that strongly about her being lined up, coached and shown how to swing, and it really is a big deal and you feel rules are rules (and for the record in the old days I'd have agreed with you - but sometimes life's too short in my mind) then go ahead and do what you feel is right. If your question is hypothetical and on here to gauge opinion then I think you've certainly got a few options you could have taken

 

[bozza]

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I think having read this again I'd let it go. No-one got hurt, it was a small time event which she'll remember long after you've forgotten about it. If you really feel that strongly you need to listen to your own conscience and decide what you really think the best course of action is. If you feel that strongly about her being lined up, coached and shown how to swing, and it really is a big deal and you feel rules are rules (and for the record in the old days I'd have agreed with you - but sometimes life's too short in my mind) then go ahead and do what you feel is right. If your question is hypothetical and on here to gauge opinion then I think you've certainly got a few options you could have taken

If it had directly affected me in a way that the person had been playing in my group or it had cost me a prize or a qualifying place then yes I would have brought it up. But seeing as it didn't directly affect me, it wasn't my home course so I just let it go and hope her maybe not knowing the correct rules won't come back and cost her at a later date.

This thread has also shown how complex the rules of golf can be at times and why it's always a good idea to carry a rule book when playing competive golf to maybe avoid a situation like this.

 

[Ethan]

If I remember correctly...

If your opponent hits his tee shot to a par 3 before you and turns to you and say something like
'that's the best 6 iron I've hit today'
or
'I didn't think I'd reach with a 4'

then that's giving advice and you are within your rights to claim the hole.

I think there is a decision of golf which says that it this was a remark intended only for the player and his caddie, then it is not advice, but if directed at the other player, it is advice. Not sure that is can easy distinction to make.

 

[bobmac]

I think there is a decision of golf which says that it this was a remark intended only for the player and his caddie, then it is not advice, but if directed at the other player, it is advice. Not sure that is can easy distinction to make.

I know.
That's why I specifically wrote

"If your opponent hits his tee shot to a par 3 before you and turns to you and says"

 

[Ethan]

I know.
That's why I specifically wrote

"If your opponent hits his tee shot to a par 3 before you and turns to you and says"

Just picking up on the key qualifier in your post, although I see someone else posted the same before me.